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Strange thing about the hull

I'm not sure what it is but I hope it is a star bathing deck, people on deck chairs, (get it?) lounge around there under the stars when not on duty
 
It finally occured to me what that saucer design with its terraced architecture reminds me of: one of those beach hotel resorts that uses organic lines and stepped levels in its design …

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IIRC, the Aeroshuttle was featured in a Voyager comic from 1996 or 1997. Since then it's been included in Ships of the Line calendars. The novels have come up with the explanation that Voyager left before their Aeroshuttle could be installed, with the spot where it would be covered up with a "dummy hull" to explain why we never see it on the show.

It always struck me as odd they never did use or, especially that they chose to create the new Delta Flyer instead of using the Aeroshuttle. According to talk from the designers, it's meant to be a runabout body with wings built around it, meaning they could just reuse the runabout interiors for it instead of building new sets for the interior of the Delta Flyer, saving time and money. Since the Delta Flyer was introduced in Voyager's fifth season (which is during DS9's seventh) they wouldn't have to worry about coordinating the filming schedules much, DS9 didn't use the runabouts very often in their seventh season. And since that was DS9's final season, the set could be saved and used on Voyager hassle free during the sixth and seventh seasons just like the Defiant's bridge was.
 
IIRC, the Aeroshuttle was featured in a Voyager comic from 1996 or 1997. Since then it's been included in Ships of the Line calendars. The novels have come up with the explanation that Voyager left before their Aeroshuttle could be installed, with the spot where it would be covered up with a "dummy hull" to explain why we never see it on the show.

It always struck me as odd they never did use or, especially that they chose to create the new Delta Flyer instead of using the Aeroshuttle. According to talk from the designers, it's meant to be a runabout body with wings built around it, meaning they could just reuse the runabout interiors for it instead of building new sets for the interior of the Delta Flyer, saving time and money. Since the Delta Flyer was introduced in Voyager's fifth season (which is during DS9's seventh) they wouldn't have to worry about coordinating the filming schedules much, DS9 didn't use the runabouts very often in their seventh season. And since that was DS9's final season, the set could be saved and used on Voyager hassle free during the sixth and seventh seasons just like the Defiant's bridge was.
My only theory is that building a shuttle that would be designed by the characters and made for the Delta Quadrant was an actual viable story idea that could possibly help Voyager's ratings and open up new threads for new stories
 
why does it make sense to have an indent there?

Why does it make sense to have the bridge at the top of the ship where the enemy can easily see and target it?

Some choices made for Federation starships are arbitrary aesthetic preferences.

Everyone agrees that the first season of TNG has not aged well. but here is the thing.. when it was made everyone worked so hard on it. The idea of designing a ship with a "technology unchained" philosophy (mixing the best of technology with improved quality of life) wound up being more than having a wooden railing on the bridge, it was incorporated into every aspect of the bridge's design. Everything from makeup tests on actors to motion control photography of the D resulted in creating long hours for everyone involved, and something that truly felt in line with Star Trek. Every show that bared the name required no less effort to produce, until now. Cheap animation and a crass attitude is not befitting the name Star trek. It's the lowest common denominator.

This is an unfair attack upon the dedication and professionalism of people who are literally making TV shows out of their homes to keep us all entertained during COVID.

But I have CBS and I will watch. I'll give it a try. Everyone told me to watch Knives Out and I did and it was garbage but I still watched

If you did not enjoy Knives Out, you need to see a doctor immediately. ;)

I mean, stepping back and thinking about Trek ships logically.
  • There is zero reason for any spaceships which do not actually enter an atmosphere to actually be streamlined. Clean lines might look cool, but you can just as well build a jaggedy mess and it will be just as able to travel through space. Unless you think ships are flying through something other than vacuum at warp I suppose.
True! In fact, when interplanetary spaceships and genuine starships become real, it's most likely that they will be non-aerodynamic ships built in orbit, designed to never enter an atmosphere. Space elevators seem like the most practical way to reach orbit once we have the resources to build them, and specialized surface-to-orbit/orbit-to-surface modules launched on reusable rockets like the Crew Dragon on the Falcon 9 seem like the most practical means to reach orbit or surface until then.

In fairness to the world of Star Trek, though, it does seem at this point as though Federation starships are designed with at least the theoretical possibility of atmospheric entry in mind. The 24th Century Prime Timeline's Intrepid class was established as capable of landing on planetary surfaces as far back as VOY Season Two, and Star Trek (2009) & Star Trek Into Darkness both established that the Kelvin Timeline's 23rd Century Constitution class is capable of atmospheric entry, oceanic entry, and atmospheric maneuvering before returning to orbit. And of course the 23rd Century Prime Timeline's B'rel-class Klingon bird of prey was capable of atmospheric entry, maneuvering, landing, and takeoff. To me that strongly implies that every major starship class we've seen is likely capable of at least some level of atmospheric entry and maneuver.

  • While it's never been 100% clear in the Trek verse, we know there are industrial-sized replicators used for ship construction, and power seems to be cheap. Thus I don't think there are serious resource constraints which force you to have a given surface area to volume ratio.
Oh, I dunno. It seems to have taken them about 6 years or so to go from initial concept to final fieldwork for the Defiant class, and the destruction of the Romulan Rescue Fleet in 2385 was a significant enough setback that they didn't just immediately start rebuilding. That implies to me that resource scarcity is still a thing at the scale of starship construction.

Also did a Trek fanfilm when he was much younger...

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I have ambiguous feelings about Seth MacFarlane, but that is adorable.

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I like The Orville a fair bit. I've binged it multiple times. But its characters are definitely shallower and less-developed than DIS's or PIC's. And it's got some problematic elements; MacFarlane used episodes of The Orville Season 2 to advance some really disturbing ideas about what kinds of behaviors are acceptable from men with regards to their ex-girlfriends.
 
It always struck me as odd they never did use or, especially that they chose to create the new Delta Flyer instead of using the Aeroshuttle.

Berman didn't want to compete with Insurrection, in theaters that summer, and featuring the Enterprise-E's captains yacht. The VFX guys have an interview in Eaglemoss's "Designing Starships: USS Voyager and Beyond" where they say he almost signed off on using it, and probably would have had it not been for Insurrection.

Another crime we can lay at the feet of that terrible, terrible movie.
 
I just had a very quick look at Voyager's underside to compare. The Runabouts are apparently 23 meters long, and Voyager is apparently 345 meters. On an underside image of the ship, I found Voyager to be 13 (and a bit) aeroshuttles long. I'm despicably bad at maths, but that doesn't sound too far off to me (although the design of the aeroshuttle means it's probably not quite the same length as a runabout, but seems reasonably close). Hopefully someone who is good with math can chime in. :)
 
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I just had a very quick look at Voyager's underside to compare. The Runabouts are apparently 23 meters long, and Voyager is apparently 345 meters. On a bottom down image of the ship, I found Voyager to be 13 (and a bit) aeroshuttles long. I'm despicably bad at maths, but that doesn't sound too far off to me (although the design of the aeroshuttle means it's probably not quite the same length as a runabout, but seems reasonably close). Hopefully someone who is good with math can chime in. :)
Yeah that is definitely a start. I'm always trying to picture corridors and decks when thinking about scale, and that is where I run into a problem. I love Orville.. but the intersection where there is an elevator and two extremely long straight hallways.. idk where that is
 
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