Strange New Worlds' showrunners advise fans to write to Skydance and Paramount if they're interested in a "Year One" Kirk sequel series
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It's all canon. Except for Very Short Treks and possibly Scouts. I've never seen Scouts, and probably never will, so I wouldn't know about that. On the other hand, I unfortunately watched some of VST.
But, if you're asking me about timelines, then I break it down as:
Legacy Trek: ENT, TOS/TAS, TOS Movies, TNG, DS9, VOY, TNG Movies, LD, PRO, PIC
Disco Trek: DSC S1-S2, SNW, S31, DSC S3-S5, SFA
Kelvin Trek: The three Abrams Movies
Legacy Trek also happened in Disco Trek, except TOS/TAS looks more like SNW. Everything else from Legacy Trek is >99% the same in Disco Trek.
All of this only being from my own point-of-view.
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Scouts is totally canon, those kids are gonna be borg by the series finale.
I just put on the first episode of Star Trek: Scouts... and I made it 45 seconds.
A new record for how quickly I stopped watching a Star Trek series!
A new record for how quickly I stopped watching a Star Trek series!
there has to be a sequel to strange new worlds since scotty urula spock and christine do join captain kirk like in the 60s original series since strange new world is i guess a prequel to the 60s original series
unlese unlese strange new world is set on a alternate universe
unlese unlese strange new world is set on a alternate universe
It's not.
according to wikipedia lol it says kurtzman expanded star trek
Star Trek - Wikipedia
The word "expanded" does not in any way, shape, or form suggest an alternate universe. It just means he added a bunch more series to the existing universe.
and your point is?
It already exists, it's called Star Trek, it released in 1966.
I'd like to be ethical, and just divorce it from TOS, as an alternate timeline.
You can have a sequel, but that's the prime timeline.
IMO, it's elegant that way, and far less to argue about.
SNW could be the byproduct of multiple time travel trips from TOS to VOY.
TOS could be a byproduct of the red angel in DISCO, and those time travel shenanigans
Like the Compass on LOST.
You don't know which one kicked off the other, but they're here now.
...and in that russian nesting doll, you have the Kelvin Timeline, the Romulan War timeline from Yesterday's Enterprise, and The Terran Empire.
The only part's we can deduce are the first timeline, the original branch is anything from ENT, that precedes the Borg Sphere from First Contact, and perhaps, the USS Kelvin being at the Romulan border in 2233, that's all.
The Design and tech on the USS Kelvin in '09, suggest a borg influence, as well as an influence of tech from Voyager's 1996 interlude.
Then you have the temporal coldwar, which muddies the whole damn thing further.
Not to mention, TVA, and DS9s time travel instances,
Little Green Men, Gabriel Bell, the Prophets possibly engineering Wolf 359, and Trials and Tribble-ations.
I think you could argue, if Star Trek Year One were to happen, it would have to be from an alternate timeline from TOS.
There's one more tidbit there.
Red Angel aside.
Pike touched a time crystal in Discovery, and learned his fate, this isn't the Pike from "the cage"
To further muddy this timeline, wasn't the Constitution Class Defiant that was stuck in the Tholian Web lost in the mirror Universe?
Further altering the destiny of everyone, as it ended up in the hands of Phillipa Georgieau, further driving Discoverse away from TOS's universe?
I'll ignore "Magic to make the sanest man go mad" although I really liked that episode.
My addition I'll call the Fringe Doctrine is
Once you muddy the timeline, there is no way to get that original timeline back, it's gone forever.
It may play out similarly, but the butterfly effect always works out.
That's why the SNW Connie is larger than TOS, but smaller than Kelvin's Connie.
That's the butterfly effect in action.
When ships are resized in Canon, we might never see the Prime Timeline version of DS9, but I can guarantee, there is a bigger Defiant, with a different bridge, even if Terrok Nor is the same station.
We probably won't see John Boyega play the Prime Timeline's version of Ben Sisko. There's evidence it happened, just not any visual confirmation besides a ship resize.
How intact those timelines are is a different story.
I'll also argue as far as an original timeline goes, there isn't one.
The timeline changes every time we go toy with time travel.
We simply know that time travel mechanics apply.
That means in "Where No Man has Gone Before" The Enterprise was capable of Intergalactic Travel, at some point that changed.
Temporal cold war? Some kind of Q Continuum/Caretaker style containment of humanity because of Gary Mitchell, who knows?
That simply would resolve most of the arguments.
I don't think that having a perfect Canon makes sense, you need a Canonical Taxonomy of timelines, I think that's the only way you fix it.
We know STO is a separate Canon of it's own.
My head canon?
Star Trek Scouts ends with those kids being assimilated and on a Borg Cube during Wolf 359.
In all seriousness, what was Kovich/Daniels ultimate goal?
I think it was to pretty much finish the work, of Temporal Affairs.
Realign the timeline, make one perfect one, it was an impossible task, but he managed to get extremely close.
That's my narrative.
What makes the Q special?
My argument, they can see that time is an illusion.
Humans can't.
The threat humans and Ellurians pose to beings like the Q, is potentially like the threat the Ocampa presented to the caretaker.
So the Q contained them.
Section 31 and the Department of Temporal Affairs mingled to study this.
The Dominion War wasn't supposed to happen in the original timeline?
Why? Why did it happen?
The Wormhole was discovered?
Who caused that, another group of extradimensional beings called Prophets on Bajor.
What was the Variable or the Anomoly?
Ben Sisko.
What did the prophets do to manipulate destiny?
They made Sisko's conciousness touch the conciousness of Benny Russell in the 1960s, further muddying the timeline.
This drove Benny Russell insane, 10 or so years after Quark made first contact at Area 51, which is a series of events that can lead into Enterprise and the Kelvin Timeline.
Quark was at Area 51, and Benny Russell went insane, when his conciousness was tied to Ben Sisko's via an Orb Experience.
Two events that weren't supposed to happen from the Federation perspective?
Wolf 359, and the Discovery of the Celestial Temple.
We were supposed to encounter the borg ahead of schedule anyway.
Q prevented that.
Those weren't there.
Then other players interfered.
But, the perfect timeline is an illusion, that everyone is chasing.
That timeline is Nostalgia.
...Janeway wasn't supposed to cheat at the end either.
I suspect the original path she or a descendent of the Voyager Crew was supposed to take back to earth was through the Gamma Quadrant.
Perhaps then they would have encountered the Dominion, and been taken there, or assimilated.
Or worse, that Descendent discovered the Celestial Temple, and later on brought the Dominion War.
Humans weren't supposed to be close to getting an ASI by the 23rd century either, Dr. Daystrom was the first to build one, and it went insane.
A change to the timeline influenced Noonien Soongh (I believe one of many aliases of an immortal not unlike John Oldman, or Flint).
Idiosyncracies across shows we the audience observe as bad writing, are evidence the timeline is in a state of decay, it's macroEntropy, that Daniels has been trying to resolve, not unlike...
Annorax, of the Krennium Imperium.
The Timeline would heal, as long as one of these pillars collapses.
I'll argue that DS9, Voyager and Enterprise flaunted these rules and this illusion in everyone's face, and on one caught it.
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I can't for the life of me figure out how the word "ethical" applies in that context.
Ok..... that was a lot of gibberish.
Few things....
Few things....
Huh?
TOS size was never firmly established on screen.
I never said they would want to. I said that they could if they wanted to.
If Year One happens, I feel like Canon is going to hold Year One back.
I feel like Canon has been holding the franchise back for a while.
We have to keep going and messing with the past, instead of just going forward.
It's kind of a disservice to that show to tie it to TOS.
It's not going to hurt TOS any.
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