Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Strange New Worlds' started by NewHeavensNewEarth, Feb 6, 2020.

  1. Noname Given

    Noname Given Admiral Admiral

    May 22, 2001
    Noname Given
    Well to be fair Star Trek Picard is canceled after season 3. Not due to low viewer response or anything like that; more because Patrick Stewart signed for just three seasons, and that's all he wanted to do.
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  2. Donald G

    Donald G Commander Red Shirt

    Jun 23, 2019
    Let's see: What's most popular on Canadian broadcast television?

    The Amazing Race (Canadian edition), Big Brother, News, Sports programming, and Jeopardy.
    So-called "reality shows," game shows, and sports consistently rank higher with the masses than an imported streaming science fiction show with a long pedigree and niche appeal.

    Same as it ever was in Newton Minow's "vast wasteland."

    I haven't been a fan of Star Trek for fifty years because it has widespread mass appeal.
    I'm a fan because it appeals to me - which is the only audience whose judgement and approval I take into consideration.

    I grew up with most of the shows I enjoyed getting cancelled before their initial thirteen week commitment was up while shows that I despised on an artistic, dramatic, and creative level continued for years and years.

    The metrics for success for a streaming program are different than for an OTA broadcast program - and presumably easier to meet, just as the metrics for success for a nationally syndicated program like TNG or DS9 were easier to meet than a network program 30-odd years ago.

    Hell, the audience shares many of today's popular broadcast programs receive today would've gotten them cancelled forty years ago.

    We don't have the real numbers, or the context, or the internal benchmarks Paramount+ is using to guide their decisions, and the Canadian market alone is not sufficient to make an accurate assessment of trends in all markets where SNW is available for viewing.
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  3. Mutai Sho-Rin

    Mutai Sho-Rin Crusty Old Bastard Moderator

    Jul 31, 2001
    Orange, CA USA
    The reason you pile on this laundry list of meaningless statistics is to support yoiur PERSONAL BIAS that Discovery, Picard, SNW, et al are failures. The certainly are not or Paramount would not be funding their continuation. Mark Twain spoke of "Lies, damned lies and statistics." He was talking about you.
  4. DaveyNY

    DaveyNY Vice Admiral Admiral

    May 14, 2001
    DaveyNY from Skin-Neck-Ta-Dee (Schenectady)
    I THINK ... you enjoy bashing Trek shows you don't like and have somewhat of a misguided expectation that you can convince others to agree with you.

    I THINK ... you should take a serious look at finding something better and more constructive to do with your time.
  5. Ovation

    Ovation Admiral Admiral

    Canadians have two ways of watching Trek. On CTV Sci-Fi Channel (a paid cable channel) AND on CRAVE (a Canadian only streaming service that offers a combination of HBO titles, current titles broadcast on various CTV channels, and the usual mix of movies and older TV shows). Bell Media owns all CTV channels (five or six, IIRC, possibly a few more) and CRAVE. Despite the availability of “Neilson-like” ratings, the picture is incomplete and the provided chart is less revealing than it appears at first glance about Canadian viewership, let alone as a useful tool to extrapolate non-Canadian viewership.
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  6. Campe

    Campe Vice Admiral Admiral

    Apr 27, 2001
    According to some, it was canceled before season 1.

    But a point taken.
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  7. Locutus of Bored

    Locutus of Bored One of these days, Artemis. Pow! Right to the Moon Moderator

    Jul 5, 2004
    Viva Las Vegas!
    Don't listen to all these hosers telling you that Canadian ratings aren't what it's all aboot, Chaka Khan. They're just crying over spilt milk bags, eh. They're still envious about Celine Dion and Nickleback. Soary, ya knobs, but like the imported maple syrup coating your arteries, this is the slow but inevitable kiss of death for Strange New Worlds. We shall burn down streaming Trek like we burned down your White House.
  8. Skywalker

    Skywalker Admiral Admiral

    Feb 24, 2005
    Back to the lower decks
    No, they keep spending millions of dollars on these productions because Kurtzman has blackmail material on them!
  9. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Admiral Admiral

    Jul 24, 2011
    Shh, don't say it so loudly, it's a secret!
  10. The Habs Fan

    The Habs Fan Commodore Commodore

    Mar 4, 2005
    Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
    440k viewers in Canada is the equivalent of 4.4 million in the US. Not bad considering it’s also on Crave (bell’s streaming service) the same day without commercials :rolleyes:

    the only reason you are posting the Numeris ratings is because it’s the only thing that seems to “support” your argument now. You used to post the trending numbers and top 10 but I wonder why you don’t anymore…
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  11. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Jul 23, 2001
    The Wormhole
    Hell, it's available on Crave a full twelve hours before it airs on CTV Sci-Fi, so their broadcast night numbers really can't be used as a measure of this show's popularity.
  12. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Admiral Admiral

    Jul 24, 2011
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  13. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Apr 11, 2014
    So much the better.
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  14. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Apr 25, 2001
    The Warped Sector of the Demented Quadrant
    When your entire canon history pre-SNW is "black Doctor in two episodes of TOS with an African name" there's really no canon to rewrite. Go for it.
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  15. Danja

    Danja Commodore Commodore

    Oct 13, 2019
    Unimatrix 259
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  16. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Garth of Algar Premium Member

    Nov 4, 2001
    Only spoken of at the hideout.
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  17. NCC-73515

    NCC-73515 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Apr 18, 2019
  18. Uhura's Song

    Uhura's Song Captain Captain

    Oct 5, 2017
    Business Insider does it every month (though I can't seem to find June), and SNW was kicking ass, both in demand above average and RT score.
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  19. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Nov 5, 2008
    A type 13 planet in it's final stage
    Considering Char's charts and stuff showing nuTrek is such a failure, it's might weird they keep making so much more of it. Must be some kind of charity operation.

    I guess that makes it an absolute win for those of us who like it:lol:
  20. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Jul 23, 2001
    The Wormhole
    It is of course an elaborate mater plan so that one day they will have so much crap, they can sit Kurtzman down and say "look what you did! This is disgraceful! You're fired. For real and permanently this time!" and Kurtzman for once won't be able to argue and will have no choice but to lower his head in shame and apologize to the Fandom whilst crying.

    Basic facts, really.

    ( ;) )
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