Well, which was more stylish? The 19teens or the 1920s? Or is it all fashion entropy, gramps?
The 1980's beat them both.
STIII - What's wrong with it?
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The 1980's beat them both.
It has been discussed a little (
) but personally I think Scotty's sabotage just stopped the ship, maybe damaged it a tad, but did little more. (He says that the chips he had came from the "transwarp computer drive" which probably means the engines never got the order to engage.) I think the actual "failure" just didn't give the immediate results that Starfleet wanted, and the fact that a full-sized copy was built without plenty of testing beforehand gels nicely with Starfleet's apparent narrow-mindedness in the movie era. I do think that the engine design led to the chain of developments that led to the TNG-type engines, though, which is probably why Excelsiors continued to serve so long.
ST III is probably the most underrated by fans and more so the casual Trek fan. I think if they had been able to do the Genesis planet with a few location shoots, and better effects, it would have let a better taste in the moviegoer's mind. It's one thing to be in the genesis cave for 10 minutes in ST II, it's another to be on a soundstage posing as all varieties of land and weather for about half of a motion picture. Despite the fake sets, cacti and snow I love this movie.
If at any point in this story anyone who opposes the crew of the Enterprise were not:
a) Incompetent;
b) dull-witted; or
c) outright morons
then the story would not progress as it does. This script is a textbook example of "idiot plotting" at every important turn.
a) Incompetent;
b) dull-witted; or
c) outright morons
then the story would not progress as it does. This script is a textbook example of "idiot plotting" at every important turn.
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Lieutenant Commander
Having them outwit competent Starfleet personel would have been more satisfying, but less funny.
And we all know the more funny stuff in Trek the better it gets!
I mean Trek 6 should have had even more funny bits than TFF. I think if Sulu had sat on whoopie cusion just before the Praxis wave hit, it would have been great.
And we all know the more funny stuff in Trek the better it gets!
I mean Trek 6 should have had even more funny bits than TFF. I think if Sulu had sat on whoopie cusion just before the Praxis wave hit, it would have been great.
Have you ever listened to the DVD commentary for ST3? It's really annoying. The two guys who did it weren't involved with the movie in any way. They were both TNG guys and they spend the first ten minutes of the movie explaining that they had nothing to do with the movie. The rest of the movie is spent discussing ST7 or TNG...
Oh, and I didn't have a problem with the competancy of the Star Fleet personnel...consider that they are security guards in a futuristic utopia guarding one person on a starbase orbiting the central planet of the federation...how "on the ball" would they really need to be? It was probably among the most boring posts in the galaxy...
Oh, and I didn't have a problem with the competancy of the Star Fleet personnel...consider that they are security guards in a futuristic utopia guarding one person on a starbase orbiting the central planet of the federation...how "on the ball" would they really need to be? It was probably among the most boring posts in the galaxy...
Leonard Nimoy and Harve Bennett provide the commentary on the previous release.
I did find it rather odd that they got guys who had nothing to do with the movies for a couple of commentary tracks. The Star Trek IV one was particulaly annoying as they insisted that slingshotting around the sun for time-travel was invented in the movie and had never been heard of before.
ST4's commentary is by the guys who wrote the new Star Trek movie...kurtzman and ortzi or someothing like that... I wish I had the earlier releases now...
I really can only take so much of those guys in ST3 talking about how they re-used this or that model or about how much Generations owed to ST3 for the Klingons sense of honor...
I really can only take so much of those guys in ST3 talking about how they re-used this or that model or about how much Generations owed to ST3 for the Klingons sense of honor...
Honestly? STIII: TSFS was just dull, somehow. Despite the action scenes, the pace was all off, and it just seems...slow.
Hence, the Gipper's understandable reaction to his first ecounter with STIII:
Hence, the Gipper's understandable reaction to his first ecounter with STIII:
TSFS features a handful of truly iconic Trek moments (theft and then destruction of the Enterprise, "Jim. You're name is Jim." etc.) wrapped around a whole lot of nondescript exposition. It's a film that is a "must see" for Trek fans, but I doubt casual fans will get too worked up about it.
Actually I've found it's improved in my estimation with a recent viewing. I never used to care for it much, but on review it's not half bad really.
There is a nice nostalgia to the film (it's the first Trek I saw in the theaters) that comes through on repeat viewings. But it's not half good, though, either.
The concept of all the new commentaries was that they were from the pro fan angle, not that they were necessarily active participants in the making of the movie.
The new Blu-Ray versions have both commentaries, old and new, if I understand correctly.
Is this for real? If so, any record of his reactions to the other Trek films? Just curious.
It's from one of Reagan's diaries, but I got the quote from trekmovie.com
I'm unsure as to his reacions towards the other films, but I DO know that The Gipper took a tour of the set of The Next Generation. GR is reported to have enjoyed the encounter a great deal.
