Stepping into the TARDIS: Series 1
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1 x 06 - "Dalek"
Yeah, when I saw a Dalek in the teaser .... I buckled myself in alright.
I like Diana Goddard, too.
A museum, complete with the head of a Cyberman!
Like Rose's slightly new hairstyle.
This guy, Stanton... heh... testosterone, ego and wealth. And he thinks Democrats are "funny". Hmmm...
NOw, a little background on the Daleks and why the Doctor is so afraid of them? Anyone?
Yeah, when I saw a Dalek in the teaser .... I buckled myself in alright.
I like Diana Goddard, too.
A museum, complete with the head of a Cyberman!
Like Rose's slightly new hairstyle.
This guy, Stanton... heh... testosterone, ego and wealth. And he thinks Democrats are "funny". Hmmm...
NOw, a little background on the Daleks and why the Doctor is so afraid of them? Anyone?
Re: 1 x 06 - "Dalek"
Read the Time War material I gave you and the Doctor isn't so much scared of them he's angry at them. And Diana Goddard was played Anna Louise Plowman who was on Stargate SG1 a few times and it was Goddard who thought Democrats are funny.
Yeah, when I saw a Dalek in the teaser .... I buckled myself in alright.
I like Diana Goddard, too.
A museum, complete with the head of a Cyberman!
Like Rose's slightly new hairstyle.
This guy, Stanton... heh... testosterone, ego and wealth. And he thinks Democrats are "funny". Hmmm...
NOw, a little background on the Daleks and why the Doctor is so afraid of them? Anyone?
Read the Time War material I gave you and the Doctor isn't so much scared of them he's angry at them. And Diana Goddard was played Anna Louise Plowman who was on Stargate SG1 a few times and it was Goddard who thought Democrats are funny.
Time war material.. check.
The reason I said the Doctor was scared was his reaction in almost pleading to be let out when he first realized what was imprisoned with him.
And yes, I know Goddard was the one who thought the Dems were funny, but Van Stanton liked the comment, so it seemed logical to make the connection.
Question.... what was the significance of Rose touching the Dalek and it coming to new life seemingly? Did that touch transmit personal knowledge of her to its memory?
The reason I said the Doctor was scared was his reaction in almost pleading to be let out when he first realized what was imprisoned with him.
And yes, I know Goddard was the one who thought the Dems were funny, but Van Stanton liked the comment, so it seemed logical to make the connection.
Question.... what was the significance of Rose touching the Dalek and it coming to new life seemingly? Did that touch transmit personal knowledge of her to its memory?
Well he didn't know the Dalek was powerless and the Dalek did try to kill him on sight. And Rose transfered some genetic material which changed the Dalek in some surprising ways.
Re: 1 x 06 - "Dalek"
Well over the years several changes have been made in their make up, this was something new though as was the Dalek's torso pivot and force field.
Well over the years several changes have been made in their make up, this was something new though as was the Dalek's torso pivot and force field.
Re: 1 x 06 - "Dalek"
Back in the original series, the Daleks were the Doctor's most popular villains. They'd be brought back all the time, and became primarily associated with the Doctor as his greatest enemies.
As Julie Gardner put it in a documentary in the Series One DVD set: "A lot of people really do think of the show as Doctor Who and the Daleks."
The Daleks remain such a popular traditional badguy for the Doctor that Russell T. Davies, in setting up the backstory for the new series, decided that the Daleks had been the ones who fought the Time War with the Time Lords.
Back in the original series, the Daleks were the Doctor's most popular villains. They'd be brought back all the time, and became primarily associated with the Doctor as his greatest enemies.
As Julie Gardner put it in a documentary in the Series One DVD set: "A lot of people really do think of the show as Doctor Who and the Daleks."
The Daleks remain such a popular traditional badguy for the Doctor that Russell T. Davies, in setting up the backstory for the new series, decided that the Daleks had been the ones who fought the Time War with the Time Lords.
But really, the reason the Doctor is so afraid of the Dalek is summed up in the episode itself:
The Doctor: What's the nearest town?
Van Statten: Salt Lake City.
The Doctor: Population?
Van Statten: One million.
The Doctor: All dead. If the Dalek gets out it'll murder every living creature. That's all it needs.
Van Statten: But why would it do that?
The Doctor: Because it honestly believes they should die. Human beings are different, and anything different is wrong. It's the ultimate in racial cleansing, and you van Statten, you've let it loose!
The Doctor: What's the nearest town?
Van Statten: Salt Lake City.
The Doctor: Population?
Van Statten: One million.
The Doctor: All dead. If the Dalek gets out it'll murder every living creature. That's all it needs.
Van Statten: But why would it do that?
The Doctor: Because it honestly believes they should die. Human beings are different, and anything different is wrong. It's the ultimate in racial cleansing, and you van Statten, you've let it loose!
Re: 1 x 04 - "Aliens of London"
According to the online material that the BBC put up when this season was first run, Mickey took over running Clive's website after his death.
As a side note, according to the stuff on the site, Mickey decided not to run the 'cleaner' disc the Doctor gave him at the end of World War III (after all, the Beeb would have had to have taken the site down if he had...).
According to the online material that the BBC put up when this season was first run, Mickey took over running Clive's website after his death.
As a side note, according to the stuff on the site, Mickey decided not to run the 'cleaner' disc the Doctor gave him at the end of World War III (after all, the Beeb would have had to have taken the site down if he had...).
The Daleks first appeared in the second DW story ever back in '63, and they've had it out for him ever since (especially after recent events). They also also have a tendency to shoot on sight so I'd probably scream like a girl too if I were locked in with one.
Daleks are utter bastards, yet strangely cute and lovable.
I mean, can you imagine if Hitler was a kitten? That's the Dalek factor, right there:
I mean, can you imagine if Hitler was a kitten? That's the Dalek factor, right there:
I've always had the impression that the Daleks were purely evil, or at the lest purely bent on destroying anythign that was different. I suppose that's a different question, concerning the nature of "evil". However, this Dalek had a transforming moment when Rose touched it. Has there ever been a time in ant of the previous series where a Dalek was so "compromised" in its programming, if you will? A time when it wavered?
I can't say for sure, I'm not a huge fan of the original series, it's probably hard to say even if you are a big fan, because there's at least a couple of origin stories for the Daleks, and some very bad Dalek stories. But I do know (without getting too spoiler-y) there are Daleks coming up who are "different" too.
Funnily enough, back in Troughton's era I think they started dabbling in using human DNA. I don't know the details, but I don't think it went well for them.
It's a theme that runs right through Who actually (get used to it
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Re: 1 x 06 - "Dalek"
IIRC, the Daleks need Temporal Radiation, which the Doctor and his Companion absorbs from their travels in the TARDIS. That's what rejuvenates the Dalek.
IIRC, the Daleks need Temporal Radiation, which the Doctor and his Companion absorbs from their travels in the TARDIS. That's what rejuvenates the Dalek.
Re: 1 x 04 - "Aliens of London"
Yeah but none of that made it to the screen so it's kind of hard to pin down that bit of infomation.
Yeah but none of that made it to the screen so it's kind of hard to pin down that bit of infomation.
The original concept for the Daleks were that they Nazis, facists and they were without a conscience, so they have very little in the way of feelings to call on.
I seemed to recall the Doctor last night saying something about them having the feeling of hate. Is that consistent with their original portrayal in the original show, or is it a case of a slight tweaking for the new series? Rose's touch allowed the Dalek to absorb her DNA, which expanded its range of emotions. What intrigues me is whether the Daleks were originally created with the complete absence of emotion, being virtually mindless in their cleansing. Or were they given the ability to hate and accidentally also a predilection for other emotions if the right DNA were present.
The hatred came from the original series and the Doctor gve them somebody to fear over the years. And they were given the ability to alter themselves however they needed to almost like the Borg they can what they have to in order justto survive.
Although once they were caught in a logic trap with a race of robots, where they both had huge space fleets that couldn't and wouldn't attack each other until the time was right and that time would never come as long as both races relied on their computers. OF course the Daleks wound up losing that war because the other race the Movellans created a virus that attacked the Daleks.
There are two Dalek histories.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/episodeguide/dalekhistory1.shtml
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/episodeguide/dalekhistory2.shtml
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