Re: Captian Decker is Apparently a Child Molsester
He didn't escape justice. He's dead isn't he?
He didn't escape justice. He's dead isn't he?
Stephen Collins is Apparently a Child Molester
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2784129/I-m-sickened-actions-I-m-afraid-happen-refuses-seek-treatment-pedophilia-Bombshell-claims-7th-Heaven-star-Stephen-Collins-wife-secret-life-child-abuse.html
So even though they were divorcing, Faye obviously didn't want Stephen to go to jail and clearly wasn't the one who made the recording public. She was trying to get him to seek help. And one of the victims did come forward in New York in 2012, which sparked the NYPD investigation in the first place.
My guess: Faye's lawyer was the leaker, without her permission or knowledge, going for a big payday and the media spotlight.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2784129/I-m-sickened-actions-I-m-afraid-happen-refuses-seek-treatment-pedophilia-Bombshell-claims-7th-Heaven-star-Stephen-Collins-wife-secret-life-child-abuse.html
So even though they were divorcing, Faye obviously didn't want Stephen to go to jail and clearly wasn't the one who made the recording public. She was trying to get him to seek help. And one of the victims did come forward in New York in 2012, which sparked the NYPD investigation in the first place.
My guess: Faye's lawyer was the leaker, without her permission or knowledge, going for a big payday and the media spotlight.
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^Contrary to popular misconception, the vast majority of attorneys take their ethical obligations very seriously.
^Contrary to popular misconception, the vast majority of attorneys take their ethical obligations very seriously.
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As someone who has worked in a Civil courtroom for many years, no, they don't. It's all about making the case and getting a piece of whatever settlement is available - and I'm sure Mr. Collins still has a lot in the bank to go after.
As someone who has worked in a Civil courtroom for many years, no, they don't. It's all about making the case and getting a piece of whatever settlement is available - and I'm sure Mr. Collins still has a lot in the bank to go after.
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And as someone who has been a lawyer for several decades, yes, they do.
And as someone who has been a lawyer for several decades, yes, they do.
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This story is tragic. There are no winners here, with the usual exception of the lawyers on all sides. It's bread and butter to them. But everyone else is getting hurt, including 7th Heaven (pulled from re-runs, which means lost royalties for a lot of people) and to a lesser extent Star Trek.
If you're angry at Collins, take solace in the fact that his life is in ruins now and only set to get worse.
This story is tragic. There are no winners here, with the usual exception of the lawyers on all sides. It's bread and butter to them. But everyone else is getting hurt, including 7th Heaven (pulled from re-runs, which means lost royalties for a lot of people) and to a lesser extent Star Trek.
If you're angry at Collins, take solace in the fact that his life is in ruins now and only set to get worse.
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Utterly disgusting.
I'm wondering how long it will be before a pack of his entertainment business associates come running to absolve him of guilt in the manner seen with Roman Polanski and that unforgivable petition from 2009?
Utterly disgusting.
I'm wondering how long it will be before a pack of his entertainment business associates come running to absolve him of guilt in the manner seen with Roman Polanski and that unforgivable petition from 2009?
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Absolutely disgusted by this. TMP has always been my favorite Trek film, but it will be a long time before I watch it again. My heart goes out to Collins' victims and their families, as well as Collins' family and friends. I can't imagine what they're going through.
--Sran
Absolutely disgusted by this. TMP has always been my favorite Trek film, but it will be a long time before I watch it again. My heart goes out to Collins' victims and their families, as well as Collins' family and friends. I can't imagine what they're going through.
--Sran
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I'll discuss with the other mods about moving this. The problem is that Stephen Collins was in TMP so it's somewhat relevant. It may need to stay in here.
I'll discuss with the other mods about moving this. The problem is that Stephen Collins was in TMP so it's somewhat relevant. It may need to stay in here.
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If you're serious that describing what he did to children as "child molester" and "heinous" is an exaggeration you have some serious issues that border on sympathizing with him and his actions.
If you're serious that describing what he did to children as "child molester" and "heinous" is an exaggeration you have some serious issues that border on sympathizing with him and his actions.
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It's relevant to Collins himself, but not to any of his films. His appearance in TMP has nothing to do with this case, so I'm not really seeing why the thread should stay here.
It's relevant to Collins himself, but not to any of his films. His appearance in TMP has nothing to do with this case, so I'm not really seeing why the thread should stay here.
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Guys, if I see any more posts like this, I will shut the thread down. Let's keep the politicizing out of it here.
Guys, if I see any more posts like this, I will shut the thread down. Let's keep the politicizing out of it here.
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To be honest, I don't understand this kind of reaction. Don't get me wrong, this is a terrible crime, and if true then Collins deserves the full penalty. However, while TMP isn't my favourite Trek film, I did like Decker the character, and this news isn't going to change that opinion for me at all. I don't have to like Collins as a person to enjoy a role he played in a film.
To be honest, I don't understand this kind of reaction. Don't get me wrong, this is a terrible crime, and if true then Collins deserves the full penalty. However, while TMP isn't my favourite Trek film, I did like Decker the character, and this news isn't going to change that opinion for me at all. I don't have to like Collins as a person to enjoy a role he played in a film.
If I were a big fan of TMP, I could understand reluctance to watch it again, if I knew that Collins had acted this way in the late 1970s. Assuming the tape is real, we don't know how long ago this behavior started. TMP's principal photography was thirty-six years ago. Perhaps only later in life did he feel empowered (by his fame?) to actually act on his impulses.
(Upon reflection, I realize that I've had zero desire to see any of the three Naked Gun movies since 1995 or so, even though O.J. Simpson, as far as we know, hadn't murdered anyone before then. So that puts the lie to everything I just wrote, being an analogous case. Well, I'll probably just purchase the TMP soundtrack CD set, invest in one of those 2-by-3-foot cutaway posters of the TMP Enterprise, and forget the movie itself from now on. I really don't need to see those pajama uniforms again, on Decker or anyone else; nor do I ever need to hear again any word of the script spoken by any of the actors, usually on the looping stage.)
(Upon reflection, I realize that I've had zero desire to see any of the three Naked Gun movies since 1995 or so, even though O.J. Simpson, as far as we know, hadn't murdered anyone before then. So that puts the lie to everything I just wrote, being an analogous case. Well, I'll probably just purchase the TMP soundtrack CD set, invest in one of those 2-by-3-foot cutaway posters of the TMP Enterprise, and forget the movie itself from now on. I really don't need to see those pajama uniforms again, on Decker or anyone else; nor do I ever need to hear again any word of the script spoken by any of the actors, usually on the looping stage.)
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I agree and happen to like the Decker character as well. However, the idea of watching anything in which Stephen Collins figures prominently makes me uncomfortable, and probably will for some time to come. It may not make sense, but it's how I feel.
--Sran
I agree and happen to like the Decker character as well. However, the idea of watching anything in which Stephen Collins figures prominently makes me uncomfortable, and probably will for some time to come. It may not make sense, but it's how I feel.
--Sran
Interestingly one of his first roles was in All the Presidents Men, a movie all about a mans secrets being caught on audio tape.
Yep. I noticed that, too.
If people just wouldn't keep doing stuff they should know is wrong, hurtful and harmful, then the rest of us wouldn't have to think about these kind of things and have these kinds of conversations.
There are so many things we all should know not to do, but people keep doing them again and again, over and over. Do they expect a different outcome?
It's like the more I know about humanity, the less I want to be a part of it.
There are so many things we all should know not to do, but people keep doing them again and again, over and over. Do they expect a different outcome?
It's like the more I know about humanity, the less I want to be a part of it.
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You're amoral and I suspect there are things about your life you should talk with someone about.
Doing what you describe to underaged kids both constitutes child molestation and is "heinous".
You need help. A great deal of help. Those around you may need protection from you as well.
You're amoral and I suspect there are things about your life you should talk with someone about.
Doing what you describe to underaged kids both constitutes child molestation and is "heinous".
You need help. A great deal of help. Those around you may need protection from you as well.
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