STC: To Boldly Indiegogo

[QuantumMechanic]

Did Renegades or Captain Pike asked permission to film these fanfilms? What is the process for fans to make these projects which are based on a property? I hope they didn't just collect money and decided it was okay to shoot CBS' property.

Many other people here know it a lot better than I, but I'm pretty sure CBS will never, ever give permission. So in some sense, yes, they are just collecting money and shooting CBS's property. However, I also bet that some outfits do have some informal communication with CBS to try to get some sense of what CBS may or may not let them do specifically. However, for all the reasons that people have mentioned in the big Axanar thread, CBS is not going to give formal guidelines. And they certainly will not give any formal permissions.

 

[9gs]

Axadweebs are starting to post vicious comments on STC's Facebook entries.

Love how the internet has created a whole new low class set of punks posting from their mom's basement. Better monitor your FB posts more often there is already one in the new post.

 

[Sgt_G]

after what happened to Tommy Kraft and what he says he was told and the rumors around Renegades

The thing is, I want to know where Mr. Kraft posted anything he "was told" other than the request from CBS that he put plans for a Horizon sequel on hold. There is a second-hand report, from what I consider a less-than-reliable source, claiming CBS told Mr. Kraft that he was first of many to be contacted, but I have yet to see Mr. Kraft post such a statement himself.

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

The thing is, I want to know where Mr. Kraft posted anything he "was told" other than the request from CBS that he put plans for a Horizon sequel on hold. There is a second-hand report, from what I consider a less-than-reliable source, claiming CBS told Mr. Kraft that he was first of many to be contacted, but I have yet to see Mr. Kraft post such a statement himself.

He said so in an interview on the Trek Geeks podcast, posted last Saturday.

 

[Warped9]

Here is an addendum to that podcast.

"On Saturday, 4/23/16, this week’s episode was made available at 11:15 AM EDT. Shortly after the release, we pulled the episode due to additional information we received that ALL fan films had NOT received phone calls from CBS suggesting they shut down their productions. We felt that as a result of this information we did not want the post to be misleading, and so a rewrite of the podcast post information was needed. There is no change to the actual interview with Tommy Kraft. The problem isn’t with what Tommy said, it’s in what we wrote and we didn’t consider possible negative effects. We sincerely apologize to all of the other productions.

To reiterate: As of now, all of the other fan film productions have NOT received calls from CBS strongly suggesting they shut down and we didn’t want to cause a problem for any production out there with what we said."

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

Thanks. I hadn't interpreted the interview to go beyond the statement he made, that "other productions" would be contacted. Glad they amended their post, if they had implied earlier that it was all productions.

Here's hoping the Tholian Webbys will be good to STC tomorrow.

 

[Warped9]

It's stated in the interview that Tommy Kraft spoke with Vic Mignogna (and no mention whatsoever that Kraft ever spoke with Alec Peters) and the notion was expressed that just maybe someone at CBS was protecting Kraft by advising him not to go forward with his planned Kickstarter and production.

It's an interesting thought considering CBS didn't have to call Tommy Kraft and politely advise him not to go forward. They could have been more heavy and menacing about it.

Then there is Vic's reported remark that he couldn't comment, but still assured people their donated money was safe. Could this mean Vic has some idea or knowledge that STC, and possibly other productions depending on what they are, are not on CBS' hit list?

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

Then there is Vic's reported remark that he couldn't comment, but still assured people their donated money was safe. Could this mean Vic has some idea or knowledge that STC, and possibly other productions depending on what they are, are not on CBS' hit list?

That probably wasn't Vic; just whoever was running their Twitter account. Still...

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

The Indiegogo had a good strong couple of days after Vic took on the Axanar question, but STC's silence after the Horizon revelation appears to have taken the wind out of their sails. They need to say something if they can. Maybe they can't. But "no news" and "can't comment yet" aren't doing much good so far.

I know enough about Vic to trust him. The trouble is going to be all those people who don't know him from Alec Peters.

Guess it remains to be seen whether the Webby Award will have a positive effect on fundraising.

 

[Warped9]

If a number or many other productions were getting phone calls it's hard to imagine how word of that hasn't come to light somehow. It's the nature of people to talk even if people were quietly told to wrap up their current efforts and then call it day.

If that was the case then word of that getting out would dry up any funding contributions real fast. And yet word of that happening would most likely get out.

It's like were all waiting for someone to say something and waiting to see if the other shoe will drop.

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

Uncertainty is always worst for the market.

 

[Zaminhon]

I could see uncertainty holding back the amount that a person would normally contribute, but the number of people choosing not to donate at all doesn't really compute. It's like a big marketing fail or something along those lines, but they've been putting it out there. I don't understand it.

 

[Warped9]

I could see uncertainty holding back the amount that a person would normally contribute, but the number of people choosing not to donate at all doesn't really compute. It's like a big marketing fail or something along those lines, but they've been putting it out there. I don't understand it.

I don't either. STC has done everything they promised fans and contributors. If anything I would have expected interest and support to increase rather than drop off.

I'm now wondering if they'll even manage another $17,000 in the next eight days.

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

If we only knew who those extra thousand were who gave last year, and why nothing this time. Could it be that they learned about the Kirkstarter from friends who supported Axanar, and those friends just haven't told them this year? A thousand people?

 

[Warped9]

Hmm... I could see disinformation and badmouthing getting spread around. But, yeah, a thousand people is a lot to suddenly walk away.

Something has people spooked.


Man, if I had the serious disposable cash I'd cut them a cheque for 250 grand right now. All I'd ask is a chance to visit the set. I wouldn't need any other perks or a walk-on or anything.

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

Hmm... I could see disinformation and badmouthing getting spread around. But, yeah, a thousand people is a lot to suddenly walk away.

Something has people spooked.


Man, if I had the serious disposable cash I'd cut them a cheque for 250 grand right now. All I'd ask is a chance to visit the set. I wouldn't need any other perks or a walk-on or anything.

Same here. And if I weren't tapped out for this month, I'd toss in some extra after every piece of bad news just to show support.

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

Ha! Someone just became backer number 1701!

 

[Warped9]

At the risk of being accused of hyperbole there haven't been many times I've looked forward to new Trek.

Of course, there was discovering TOS back in the day and the anticipation of each episode I hadn't seen yet as well as the pleasure of rewatching those episodes repeatedly over the following years. Then there was the anticipation for TAS and new books back in the day. There was also the excitement of anticipating TMP and subsequent TOS based films (although the rewatch factor of some of those has diminished over the years).

Some of the TNG episodes were quite enjoyable. But by and large the subsequent spin-off series and films left me increasingly wanting. The Abrams films were real disappointments for me.

But STC, as well as some other fan productions, has reawakened that enjoyment I haven't felt for so long.

It would be nice if the forthcoming 2017 series managed to do that as well, but at this point I'm rather skeptical of "official" Trek. I wouldn't mind to have my cynicism proven wrong.

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

It does capture that feeling like nothing else...

 

[Astra]

When episode 5 came out, it was the same day when Doctor Who returned with a new season and everyone on my friends list was excited about that, while I was really impatient to finally get to see the episode. I had only discovered it in August, so the wait had only been four weeks but still.

If anything I would have expected interest and support to increase rather than drop off.

I did that. It makes me more determined.

If we make it indeed to 160.000 and if one episode is about 80.000 then that would mean two more episodes. That isn't bad?

Does anyone know how it would work to extend it? It was said in a comment on the page that they plan to extend it to the end of May. But is that possible just like that? By justs switching the date on the page? I have a friend who has been ill and I don't want to bother her this week too much so if I knew there is more time...