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STC Ep. 7: "Embrace The Winds" speculation and discussion....

And you've made your opinion well know, over and over and over and over and over again, in nearly every sub-forum on this board. We get it, you don't like JJ or any other Trek but the high holy TOS.

We get it.
And so do a lot of other people. So if you don't like it than don't read it.
 
No one is saying you can't tell a story in fifteen minutes. Of course you can. Fifteen SECOND stories can be told.

That is not the point.

The point of projects like STC is making something that feels like a lost 1960s episode. Those were hour-long shows (with commercials of course). It isn't that a short running time isn't doable, it's that it's an entirely different animal.

A 15 minute episode has an entirely different structure, pace, and complexity. It is an entirely valid way to make a short film...

....but it no longer feels like a lost TOS episode. The magic, at least for the purposes of shows like STC, is lost.
 
There are other fans who enjoy The Next Generation era stuff as well as Enterprise and JJ. I grew up watching TNG and VOY with my dad, though I do love TOS, the movies, other iterations.

Please respect that.

Never underestimate others desire to piss on things they don't like. They want respect, they don't like to give it.
 
No one is saying you can't tell a story in fifteen minutes. Of course you can. Fifteen SECOND stories can be told.

That is not the point.

The point of projects like STC is making something that feels like a lost 1960s episode. Those were hour-long shows (with commercials of course). It isn't that a short running time isn't doable, it's that it's an entirely different animal.

A 15 minute episode has an entirely different structure, pace, and complexity. It is an entirely valid way to make a short film...

....but it no longer feels like a lost TOS episode. The magic, at least for the purposes of shows like STC, is lost.
What we do know is that Vic is in discussions with CBS to see how/if STC can go forward.

It's conceivable that something can be worked out. STC might have to stop any further perks. Maybe their time limit could be 30-45 minutes. Doug Drexler might no longer be allowed to participate. But CBS could waive the continuing participation of anyone else such as Vic, Chris Doohan, Kipleigh Brown and anyone else connected to past Trek.

We'll see.
 
Never underestimate others desire to piss on things they don't like. They want respect, they don't like to give it.
Saying you don't care for something is only disrespect in someone else's mind. It's not pissing on it either. There is no law or universal ethic that demands you have to do nothing but shower flowers on everything.

I get goddamned tired of people telling me to effectively shut up. I can't count the number of times I've seen tiresome crap around here and wanted someone to shut the hell up, but I've said nothing.

If someone doesn't like what I say and/or it offends their touchy-feeling sensibilities then DON'T FUCKING READ MY POSTS!
 
What we do know is that Vic is in discussions with CBS to see how/if STC can go forward.

It's conceivable that something can be worked out. STC might have to stop any further perks. Maybe their time limit could be 30-45 minutes. Doug Drexler might no longer be allowed to participate. But CBS could waive the continuing participation of anyone else such as Vic, Chris Doohan, Kipleigh Brown and anyone else connected to past Trek.

We'll see.

That would be great but until Axanar is dead and buried my guess is nothing official will happen on this front. If "Embrace the Winds" is released on time in full format, that will be an encouraging sign.
 
I've seen this a few times now, and... I just have to ask, do people like TAS? I'm not one to denigrate a series (I enjoyed the first season of ENTERPRISE!), but, at least in my opinion, every single episode of TAS is worse than any single episode of TOS (with one exception: "Yesteryear"). Give me "The Way to Eden" over "Bem" and "Spock's Brain" instead of "How Sharper Than A Serpent's Tooth" any day of the week. Heck, give me "Divided We Stand" and "The White Iris" (my least favorite episodes of Continues) over "The Counter-Clock Incident" or "Beyond the Farthest Star." TAS is unable to develop interesting science fiction stories, and even failed stories like "Eden" or entirely unofficial, low-budget stories like "Iris" are more interesting than TAS's weekly fare.

And that's largely a function of TAS being so short: it tried to compress the TOS formula (which rarely used the strict A/B-plot separation common in the other series) into half the time by eliminating the Act II exploration of implications and the Act III complication. What you ended up with was flat, boring, predictable, and all at too fast a pace for the viewer to ever properly suspend disbelief.

So when people say that TAS is where fan filmmakers need to look for inspiration... well, that's what led me to my question: do the people who are saying this actually like TAS? Or are we just naming TAS because it's the only thing Official Trek has ever done that approximates the 30-minute guideline?
Maybe you can take criticism of TAS over to the appropriate forum--not here in the fan production forum.
 
Saying you don't care for something is only disrespect in someone else's mind. It's not pissing on it either. There is no law or universal ethic that demands you have to do nothing but shower flowers on everything.

It's not about showering flowers and I think you know that. It's about making slams on material that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Which has been your MO for a while now. We get it, you don't like the Abrams movies. It comes across as childish and might be time to move on from that.
 
It's not about showering flowers and I think you know that. It's about making slams on material that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Which has been your MO for a while now. We get it, you don't like the Abrams movies. It comes across as childish and might be time to move on from that.
I didn't slam anything. I said "the rest means nothing to me."

That's an opinion. But like often enough around here certain dissenting sentiments offend the tender sensibilities of some. That isn't my problem. I get just as tired of hearing something praised that I consider worthless and yet I don't jump on those.

I stay out of the forums dealing with those subjects I don't care for. I also refrain more often than not from criticizing those subjects when they're raised in forums I do frequent. But thats not goddamned good enough for some who cannot tolerate even an occasional dissenting remark.

I say again: if someone doesn't like what I have to say then don't read my posts.
 
I don't know if this video has been posted yet, but here's a recent interview with Doug Drexler on his work with STC:
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Around the 27:30 mark, he mentions that he was working on the effects shots for Embracing the Winds, which contradicts his statements on Facebook that Come Not Between the Dragons was his final installment. He also touches upon Vic's plans for ending the series, seems an arc is in play. Keep in mind that this interview was conducted in early June, before the guidelines were handed down.
 
Always interesting to hear Doug speak about this subject, but there was very little said here that many of us haven't heard before.

The one thing I was curious about was in regard to which fan production he felt "used" and exploited by before getting involved with STC.
 
The one thing I was curious about was in regard to which fan production he felt "used" and exploited by before getting involved with STC.

Space Command, perhaps, which he left not long after th fundraiser was complete?
 
Space Command, perhaps, which he left not long after th fundraiser was complete?

Yep, he left over creative differences with Zicree.

Drexler's name was stamped on everything during the original Kickstarter campaign. His participation in the project is what got a fair share of folks to donate. I recall ramblings here about the disappointment when Drexler left the project because that's one of the main reason they donated.
 
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