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status of scifi TV shows and cancelations?

My thoughts on some of these:

Caprica.
What's the frakking point?! It doesn't even look sci-fi enough to be recognizably BSG. And frankly, I've come to hate Battlestar Galactica anyway. The only reason why I still watch is that I feel I've invested enough into this that I have to see how it ends. But it has pretty much zero rewatchability for me.


My bolding; quoted for truth. I can't wait to see all of the blind faith they put in Jane Espenson blow up in their faces; NO, seasons 3 and 4 had a LOT of problems once she joined; at best she was neutral, at worst character assassination ("The Passage is a fan favorite!" -- Jane Espenson) ugh and now she's in CHARGE of Caprica, a "not-scifi show?"

I mean seriously....if their goal is to kiddy-up the series (remember when Atlantis was "the darker Stargate"?) to appeal to a wider "Family audience" for higher ratings....why put in so much sex and violence still?

It's actually straight to DVD!
 
My thoughts on some of these:

Doctor Who.
I don't know why we're not just doing a full season. Why are we bothering to accommodate David Tennant's schedule with the RSC if he's not even going to be coming back next year anyway? And why are they further punnishing me with so little Torchwood?:guffaw:

Unlike SOME SHOWS I COULD MENTION (Heroes seasons 2 and 3, BSG season 3) the DW writers OPENLY ADMITTED that "we feel we've run out of ideas, at least for the time being, so instead of just cranking out filller episodes, we'll take a "year off to recharge our creative batteries".....and make a few good specials to keep fans interested.

This sounds insane to American fans...because it makes complete sense! "dude, if we don't have ideas yet, wait until we do, instead of rushing it through production!"
 
Bitches gets points simply for its title (as it relates to the premise). That's just genius, I'm going to give the pilot a shot simply to reward the cleverness of the title.

of course if it sucks as much as i'm expecting it to, that'll only be like a half our out of my life.
 
^That just reminded me. Being Human is shaping up pretty good. I hope they get a second series.
Being Human is a drama/comedy about a werewolf, a vampire and a ghost sharing a house, I guess it'll probably make it's way on to BBC America at some point.
 
What's really sad, to me, is that when nBSG is gone... I'll literally have nothing space-based left on air.

Nothing in that starry void, for the first time since I got addicted to this stuff back in 1996.


Well, to be fair, nBSG wasn't really about space even though it was space based. There were no spatial anomolies that affected the ships and crew, no black holes or supernovae to dodge. I would even contest that most non-sci fi fans found that having a setting in space was a bit of a distraction. You had all the wiggly camera enhanced intrigue that kept the audience riveted. But once there was a cutaway scene showing the exterior of the Galactica, I'm sure there was a collective eye roll. That's why they are probabaly ditching the whole space concept with Caprica and all we will be left with is wiggly camera enhanced intrigue.....I guess.
 
My thoughts on some of these:


What about Bitches? It's described as Sex & the City with werewolves.:guffaw:


I can't wait for BITCHES. I still miss WOLF LAKE . . . .

You know what would be a better werewolf concept? I apologize if I'm spoiling things, but I'm currently reading Neil Gaiman's latest young adult effort The Graveyard Book. In it, there is a character who is refered to as a Hound Of God. Basically, she's a werewolf. But the reason for the name is that, unlike just about every modern movie telling of the werewolf going back to Larry Talbot, instead of a curse, the Hounds Of God see their condition as a blessing from...well...God. And they repay their blessing by using it to fight evil. No whiny "why am I like this" emo crap and no sterotypical bloodthirsty killer stuff. That would be a great series. It already has a great name. Don't know how the use of "God" in the title would go over, but put Neil in charge as a producer and I'm there.
 
Well, to be fair, nBSG wasn't really about space even though it was space based.

This is true.

I notice that one of the writers refers to the spaceship shots as "space porn." :lol:

nBSG tries it's hardest not to be Sci Fi. They should have thought of that before they put in the killer robots.:lol:
I don't get this attitude. Sci0fi doesn't have to equal space, and far out concepts. Sci-fi can be small alternate timeline stuff, or huge space empire stuff, why do people say shows are trying not to be sci-fi. Some shows may try to hide their sci-fi (like Lost) but that doesn't make them any less sci-fi.
So unless you have seriously limited taste does it matter whether it's sf&f with a political, or romance, or comedy leaning?
 
Doctor Who. I don't know why we're not just doing a full season. Why are we bothering to accommodate David Tennant's schedule with the RSC if he's not even going to be coming back next year anyway? And why are they further punnishing me with so little Torchwood?
They were never accommodating David Tennant, there was talk of this ages ago. RTD said he had a plan to keep the show fresh by having gaps in production, to give them time to rest, and come back strong and hopefully keep the show on the air for another 20 years. The Beeb weren't comfortable with one of their biggest shows just disappearing for a year and wanted more than 1 or 2 specials and so it became 4 specials, 5 if you count The Next Doctor.


I also thought the BBC was under a budget crunch this year (The UK government group overseeing the BBC felt it wasn't living up to it's manadate because the majority of it's budget was going into Doctor Who and Torchwood; and, being the BBC it was also supposed to produce educational and other programming that was getting the shaft. Thus when the BBC asked for a license fee hike, the government denied it on that basis and stated the BBC had to give move attention the the other areas of it's mandate, etc. Thus the BBC did have the budget to do these two shows right, so they basically did 5 episodes of each, and supposedly put more into other programming this year so they could get back on track the following year.

(As you can tell, I ain't a UK resident, but I remember seeing the situation discussed in the Doctor Who forum a few months ago.
 
nBSG tries it's hardest not to be Sci Fi. They should have thought of that before they put in the killer robots.:lol:


they put in human-built robots, which are *utterly plausible* given the amount of robots we use even today, as opposed to Forehead Aliens of the Week.

In the BSGverse, humans are the only sentient race that developed. They never even contemplate that aliens might exist.

Yes, they make it a point (in the 3rd episode explicitly stated) that as in real life, "the galaxy is pretty desolate when you get down to it": i.e. inhabitable planets are actually very rare, and discovering one is actually a big enough event to carry a season-ending cliffhanger. They do find other planets, but they're usually airless rocks, or frozen wastelands, or rocky moons with no oxygen in their atmosphere.

For all intents and purposes, just as the survivors are stranded on the Island on Lost, in a parallel way, on BSG they're "marooned" on Galactica. They make it a point even that they can't have "shore leave" and get "cranky" after months of being sealed in cramped ships which were never meant for long-term living.

***"Firefly" did a similar concept...a lot of people compare the two series, in a positive way, and I think its a new direction for the genre; but the conceit of Firefly was that hundreds of years had already been spent terraforming terraforming hundreds of planets to be Earth-like (BSG kind of did the same thing, but they only had 12 planets...which were presumably terraformed once, or they intentionally settled there because they were so habitable...)

but I digress....
 
^And when you get down to it, there are hardly any intelligent aliens in the Stargate universe either. There are some but certainly not as many as there are in say the Star Trek & Star Wars universes.

Also, there were never any aliens on Red Dwarf. Anything that was like an alien was actually an evolution of a genetically engineered Earth species.
 
Doctor Who. I don't know why we're not just doing a full season. Why are we bothering to accommodate David Tennant's schedule with the RSC if he's not even going to be coming back next year anyway? And why are they further punnishing me with so little Torchwood?
They were never accommodating David Tennant, there was talk of this ages ago. RTD said he had a plan to keep the show fresh by having gaps in production, to give them time to rest, and come back strong and hopefully keep the show on the air for another 20 years. The Beeb weren't comfortable with one of their biggest shows just disappearing for a year and wanted more than 1 or 2 specials and so it became 4 specials, 5 if you count The Next Doctor.


I also thought the BBC was under a budget crunch this year (The UK government group overseeing the BBC felt it wasn't living up to it's manadate because the majority of it's budget was going into Doctor Who and Torchwood; and, being the BBC it was also supposed to produce educational and other programming that was getting the shaft. Thus when the BBC asked for a license fee hike, the government denied it on that basis and stated the BBC had to give move attention the the other areas of it's mandate, etc. Thus the BBC did have the budget to do these two shows right, so they basically did 5 episodes of each, and supposedly put more into other programming this year so they could get back on track the following year.

(As you can tell, I ain't a UK resident, but I remember seeing the situation discussed in the Doctor Who forum a few months ago.
Not quite right. It'd be a bit hard for a majority of it's budget to go on Doctor Who and Torchwood, the beeb receives something along the lines of £3 billion directly from the licence, and another £150 million from BBC Worldwide. :lol:

The Licence Fee is by act of Parliament, they review and give new mandates every 10 years (5 in this case). This time the BBC have to pay digital switchover, "ring-fence" I believe £500,000,000 to help disabled and under-privileged people pay for digital boxes, put £14,000,000 aside to help Channel 4 with their digital costs (which I believe has been ruled illegal by the EU now, so I don't know what's happening with that) and put more focus on under funded genres.

But at the same time they gave them an under inflation (at the time) increase on the licence. So budgets have been cut, mostly on the news and children's TV side, but on other things too.
 
^And when you get down to it, there are hardly any intelligent aliens in the Stargate universe either. There are some but certainly not as many as there are in say the Star Trek & Star Wars universes.

Also, there were never any aliens on Red Dwarf. Anything that was like an alien was actually an evolution of a genetically engineered Earth species.

Right: its mostly "foreign" human civilizations farmed-out as slaves by the Goa'uld. There are aliens but relatively few.

As for Red Dwarf....well yeah, the Simulants and the GELFS are human-built.


****Well, slightly good news for Stargate: Universe is that the creators said that they are actually aiming for *really strong continuing story arcs*, while still making it fairly accessible to new viewers. Of course, this led them to compare it to BSG (haha) but then to say maybe Lost would be slightly better for comparision; well at least they're saying "we want actual storyarcs"....unfortunately they also said "we want relationships"....so UGH it's the BSG season 3 Love Polygon of Doom (which the writers only retroactively admitted wasn't a good idea) all over again. Or the "will they won't they" dance that O'Neill and Carter, or Sheppherd and Teyla, had running for years with no resolution. "Relationships" could imply "actual running storylines"...but then again, Sheppherd/Teyla was a "relationship" that just dragged on with no resolution. So I anticipate a lot of 90210ish "will they won't they" that leads no where.
 
Predictions:

Fox

Dollhouse- Friday night slot will kill it. Quickly. Sadly.
Fringe - Will survive to a second season. Solid numbers so far.
Sarah Connor - Dead man walking. Won't see a third season.
Virtuality - RDM's new show. Sounds interesting. Fox will promptly kill it like they do most half-decent sounding shows.

CW

Smallville - Solid numbers. Will see a ninth season.
Supernatural - As above, will make it through to year five.
Reaper - Going up against AI will kill it. No third season.

ABC Family

Kyle XY - Stupid decision
The Middleman - Won't be back. Sadly.

ABC

Pushing Daisies - Already dead.
Life on Mars - Like it, but the numbers are plummeting. Won't make it.
Lost - Solid enough numbers. Safe to return next year.

CBS

Ghost Whisperer - Who cares?
Eleventh Hour - Safe for a second season.

NBC

Heroes - Safe for a fourth season.
Knight Rider - Only question is, will it make it to the end of the season before it's killed.
Medium - See Ghost Whisperer
Chuck - IMO, safe. Numbers on the rise, and NBC can't cancel everything.

Sci-Fi

Caprica - Safe.
Warehouse 13 - Sounds a bit Fringe-ish to me. Non-franchise shows have been hit and miss on Sci-Fi in recent years.
Stargate Universe - Despite the bitching and whining, enough of the SG crowd will tune in to keep it safe.
Revolution - Sounds good, but given how little we're hearing of it, I doubt it'll make it to series.

HBO

True Blood - Will be good for a third season if the first is anything to go by.
 
I got so much to watch on TV and DVD that I still haven't seen this weeks Chuck, Heroes or Lost. :rommie: I'm not feeling so deprived, personally.

Get on it Temis!

I want to hear your thoughts on this week's Heroes already.:lol:

Whahoppen?!? Did Nathan and Peter finally kiss?!?! :rommie:

What the frak am I doing here? I still have last week's and this week's Heroes waiting in the VCR. It's finally happened...I'd rather bitch about TV than watch it.

What about Bitches? It's described as Sex & the City with werewolves.
Next season's Cavemen disaster!!! :rommie:
 
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