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Let's hope he "thinks about" supporting our men and women in Afghanistan before his approval rating dips below it's current sub-50% level.

Of course anyone who actually cared about the lives of the men and women under their command - to say nothing of the many more men and women who aren't - wouldn't send them off to fight in endless imperial adventures in the first place. But then war has been America's chief industry for the last half-century. It's difficult to shake these things.

Freedom has a price.
 
Let's hope he "thinks about" supporting our men and women in Afghanistan before his approval rating dips below it's current sub-50% level.
But it's no sub-50%.
Republicans get graded on a curve.

Also Bush was considered to have a 100% rating by around 30% of the country, he's the Sex Panther of presidents.

Well, he did promise to pay my mortgage and put gas in my car. Oh, wait.....
 
What good does it do to flounce around the thread crying about the lack of a warning for a post that was made twenty minutes ago?

None of the Misc mods are even online.

Apologies if I seemed like I was putting on a timetable, that was not my intention. I wasn't expecting anything to be done *right now*. I'm just questioning whether mods are also subject to being warned. Do they have a "moderator Internal Affairs"?

I don't remember any instance of a mod (or a rocker :lol: ) ever getting warned - I always thought that by virtue of their position, they could say whatever they wanted to whoever they wanted.

You've been here a long time and know perfectly well that we are subject to being warned just like anyone else (you've even been involved in discussions about it before IIRC), so I'd appreciate it if you'd spare everyone the "aww shucks" routine where you pretend not to know something so you can easily back away from it when challenged.

I think you're doing this as a reaction to your friend receiving a warning recently, which was for a completely out of the blue and unjustified comment about someone's alleged religious beliefs leading to bigotry (bigoted feelings which the person in question didn't even have) whereas this took place in a topic that had been getting heated with veiled and not so veiled insults from both sides. The situations and levels of insult are not comparable.

You hit notify which should have been the end of it until someone from Miscellaneous was online, and if you had a further problem beyond that you know that you can PM the staff instead of grandstanding in public and turning this into your own personal MA. That is why you're receiving this response publicly instead of in a PM. That works both ways.

Now, as far as Possum's comment and the rest of the heated rhetoric in this thread, people need to take a step back and realize that as passionate as this subject can be, it's been talked about to death and some people are simply not willing to budge no matter what you say. So it's best to focus on the people who are willing to discuss things reasonably and perhaps change their point of view when presented with the facts. That's already happened with at least one person in this thread, and I'd say it's much more productive to devote time to those people rather than a couple of others who are here to just stir up trouble.

I've kind of sat this topic out because I'm sick of discussing it quite frankly, but I should have put a stop to things earlier before it got out of hand. I'm sorry for that, which is why I'm not going to give out any warnings at this time. But now that the staff has stepped in on this I expect things to get back to a more constructive dialogue or else I will be forced to hand out infractions, which I hate doing.

Thank you, and you may now return to your regularly scheduled (preferably friendly) debate.
 
there was a mod who even warned himself on one occasion.

:guffaw: :guffaw: Now *this* intrigues me...

Mogh and I both warned ourselves by accident back in 2004. We had fun in the Briefing Room teasing Mogh about his mistake (I was new- mistakes were expected!). Mods can't do that with this new board, though.

Can't remember who warned himself for real, though.
 
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If I remember correctly the mod concerned warned one person and then someone pointed out that what he, the mod, had said earlier in the thread was as warnable. The mod agreed it was and as a result warned himself.
 
^ I remember that too. I can't remember what the topic was about or who the moderator was, but I do remember the moderator warning himself.
 
Yeah. I used Gallup, the one everyone uses.
Speaking of Gallup, I found this interesting:
More Americans now say it is not the federal government's responsibility to make sure all Americans have healthcare coverage (50%) than say it is (47%). This is a first since Gallup began tracking this question, and a significant shift from as recently as three years ago, when two-thirds said ensuring healthcare coverage was the government's responsibility.
Link to Gallup article
 
i just don't get why Americans automatically think state-supported healthcare = socialist = Communist.

perhaps some believe government supported / controlled

- road, highway and bridge safety and maintenance officials
- television and radio regulation bodies
- consumer goods safety boards
- food and drug testing and standards
- automobile and aviation safety administrations

is bad enough and don't want healthcare to be part of that list
 
i just don't get why Americans automatically think state-supported healthcare = socialist = Communist.

perhaps some believe government supported / controlled

- road, highway and bridge safety and maintenance officials
- television and radio regulation bodies
- consumer goods safety boards
- food and drug testing and standards
- automobile and aviation safety administrations

is bad enough and don't want healthcare to be part of that list

You forgot:

Department of Energy
Department of Defense

Our socialist military, socialist Police and Fire emergency services. But yet, healthcare makes the country "Socialist"
 
i just don't get why Americans automatically think state-supported healthcare = socialist = Communist.

perhaps some believe government supported / controlled

- road, highway and bridge safety and maintenance officials
- television and radio regulation bodies
- consumer goods safety boards
- food and drug testing and standards
- automobile and aviation safety administrations

is bad enough and don't want healthcare to be part of that list

You forgot:

Department of Energy
Department of Defense

Our socialist military, socialist Police and Fire emergency services. But yet, healthcare makes the country "Socialist"
Do you know "why" the Postman only rings twice?

Socialism.
 
Plus, the government already is extensively involved in providing health care directly or indirectly by compensating those who have been left destitute as a result of medical bills.

The US already spends more than nations with UHC on health care as it is, so we would simply be putting those funds to better use by providing for everyone in need. Costs would eventually go down due to prevention of more serious medical problems.
 
i just don't get why Americans automatically think state-supported healthcare = socialist = Communist.

perhaps some believe government supported / controlled

- road, highway and bridge safety and maintenance officials
- television and radio regulation bodies
- consumer goods safety boards
- food and drug testing and standards
- automobile and aviation safety administrations

is bad enough and don't want healthcare to be part of that list

You forgot:

Department of Energy
Department of Defense

Our socialist military, socialist Police and Fire emergency services. But yet, healthcare makes the country "Socialist"

Plus, the government already is extensively involved in providing health care directly or indirectly by compensating those who have been left destitute as a result of medical bills.

The US already spends more than nations with UHC on health care as it is, so we would simply be putting those funds to better use by providing for everyone in need. Costs would eventually go down due to prevention of more serious medical problems.


please, enough with the common sense and reasonable dialogue. it'll be too much for some people to handle! ;)
 
perhaps some believe government supported / controlled

- road, highway and bridge safety and maintenance officials
- television and radio regulation bodies
- consumer goods safety boards
- food and drug testing and standards
- automobile and aviation safety administrations

is bad enough and don't want healthcare to be part of that list

You forgot:

Department of Energy
Department of Defense

Our socialist military, socialist Police and Fire emergency services. But yet, healthcare makes the country "Socialist"
Do you know "why" the Postman only rings twice?

Socialism.

*shakes fist at socialism
 
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