But...but....Obama said we won't pay any new taxes....
No, he said the overall tax burden for people making less $150K a year (or whatever the number was) wouldn't rise.
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No, he said the overall tax burden for people making less $150K a year (or whatever the number was) wouldn't rise.
You really just posted that liberals are not real Americans? In an already high-maintenance MISC thread? Nice.
Last time I checked, I was a "real" American. Probably more real than most here can claim, as my family dates back to the late 1600's, and I have some Native American ancestry (a tiny amount, but it's there). So there.
I didn't know that liberals weren't real Americans. Guess I need to move to the ever so socialist Canada!
They're not real Americans in the sense that they seek to controvert and change the founding principles of our nation. Maybe they're AINO's?
And yet they are the people who are most identified as Americans by America's enemies - what do you make of that?
TheLonelySquire
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You really just posted that liberals are not real Americans? In an already high-maintenance MISC thread? Nice.Last time I checked, I was a "real" American. Probably more real than most here can claim, as my family dates back to the late 1600's, and I have some Native American ancestry (a tiny amount, but it's there). So there.
I didn't know that liberals weren't real Americans. Guess I need to move to the ever so socialist Canada!
They're not real Americans in the sense that they seek to controvert and change the founding principles of our nation. Maybe they're AINO's?
What is wrong with pointing that out? Of course they're ACTUAL Americans. It's simply that their ideology runs counter to that of our founders. Small government, self-reliance, self-determination, etc. Relax.
the most damning indictment of the state of American health care was when a charity called 'Remote Area Medical' recently did free clinics in California doing all sorts like dental check-ups, mammograms, MRIs and what have you and they had 800 people in ONE DAY.
in fact, here's the results from http://www.ramusa.org/ of the Inglewood clinics:
RAM LA Results
The following totals are from patient records in hand and, due to an unknown number of misplaced papers and lost data, are lower than actual numbers.
6,344 patients registered for 14,561 patient encounters (approximately 2.3 services per patient)
3,827 volunteers, largely non-medical support (It is believed that patient encounters could have doubled if medical professionals licensed in states other than California had been allowed to volunteer their services at this clinic.)
3,182 dental patients – 2, 274 teeth extracted and 5,438 teeth saved, 1,889 cleanings
2,266 vision care patients with 1,984 pairs of prescription eyeglasses made on site and fitted
8,775 general medical visits
Total value of care: $2,821,383
in fact, here's the results from http://www.ramusa.org/ of the Inglewood clinics:
RAM LA Results
The following totals are from patient records in hand and, due to an unknown number of misplaced papers and lost data, are lower than actual numbers.
6,344 patients registered for 14,561 patient encounters (approximately 2.3 services per patient)
3,827 volunteers, largely non-medical support (It is believed that patient encounters could have doubled if medical professionals licensed in states other than California had been allowed to volunteer their services at this clinic.)
3,182 dental patients – 2, 274 teeth extracted and 5,438 teeth saved, 1,889 cleanings
2,266 vision care patients with 1,984 pairs of prescription eyeglasses made on site and fitted
8,775 general medical visits
Total value of care: $2,821,383
Thespeckledkiwi
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BTW:
Schools (K-12) are mainly maintained by state and federal income. Why are we paying for some other kid's education?
Blackwater, I don't even want to really get into this but where is all the crying about how we are wasting our tax payer dollars on these morons?
Roads were brought up as well.
there are a TON of stuff we pay for that we use or is being wasted. Health care isn't that big of a deal for a nation that is suffering from so much personal debt due to these medical costs.
Schools (K-12) are mainly maintained by state and federal income. Why are we paying for some other kid's education?
Blackwater, I don't even want to really get into this but where is all the crying about how we are wasting our tax payer dollars on these morons?
Roads were brought up as well.
there are a TON of stuff we pay for that we use or is being wasted. Health care isn't that big of a deal for a nation that is suffering from so much personal debt due to these medical costs.
Their ideology also included keeping slaves and preventing women from voting.
It's SIMPLY that combined with your history, that inflammatory comment is easily interpreted as trolling - and I'm SURE that you don't want anyone to think THAT.
Thespeckledkiwi
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Also wiping out Native Americans. And the fact that some of their ideologies ran counter to what they were doing.
Is it worth me pointing out that people living 200 years ago are rarely appropriate ideological role models? Regardless of whether the proposed changes do differ from the ideological standards of your forebears or not- and I'm not going to offer a conclusion to that- ideologies change, and they should change, otherwise what you end up with is ridiculous conservatism that holds your nation back from the prosperity it could be enjoying. I mean, I'm British. If I based my ideological standards on what my forebears were up to 200 years ago, I'd be an imperialist.
And AGAIN: You have compulsary military registration for your young males. Self-determination? No.
I agree. I think it's past time we figured out a way to keep middle and lower class Americans from having to declare bankruptcy or go without when the health care they needs exceeds their paltry incomes.
Thespeckledkiwi
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Oh BTW! I forgot to mention:
A lot of companies don't also offer health care to any dependents or husband/wives. So you might have good health care but your family does not.
A lot of companies don't also offer health care to any dependents or husband/wives. So you might have good health care but your family does not.
Well, you're wrong for one, that would be the most obvious problem. And if you think the Founders would support you slagging people off because they don't share the same viewpoint as you... well, I'd suggest a history class.
ST-One
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So, you don't have any insurance at all?
Slave-owning, no one could vote unless you were a white, land-owning, man.
Yeah. Good times. Why can't we get back to those good old days?
Actually, I don't that is a problem for poeple that think like TheLonelySquire. I'm sure he will agree with me.
It's a great and realistic idea. It has the advantage of having worked in the past.
Which is why no insurance is a better idea.
Massachusetts doesn't have pre-existing conditions. Yes it makes insurance more expensive but it shows that having your lawmakers make it a law is better than people sitting on the couch kvetching. And it's a lot less intrusive then having the government grow and become 100 times more intrusive than the Patriot Act could ever be or being forced to buy insurance or go to jail...
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUkzV8h3Wp0[/yt]
So... the problem is that people don't have access to care and the solution is to remove access for everyone?
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