Starting to Think...

[a thousand-yard stare]

The point is this is a de facto reboot and the Klingons are the most recognisable aliens in the 'Trekverse'; thanks to B&B, possibly moreso than the Vulcans.
To leave them out would be like Superman without Lex Luthor or Batman without the Joker
For an audience being introduced to 'Trek' the inclusion of these iconic foes is a must - and after all, a new audience is what the company is aiming for.

While I understand the process involved do I want to see Klingons?
Not really.
Will I watch this?
My interest was low to begin with...

 

[jefferiestubes8]

While I understand the process involved do I want to see Klingons?
Not really.
Will I watch this?

Totally agreed. Set in a timeline before TOS I would expect them to have Vulcans and maybe Klingons but the decision to go with a serialized story over 13 episodes most likely will draw from a large conflict that has ups and downs hence an enemy of sorts that they are always fighting like in The Transformers (1984-1987) cartoons the Autobots are always fighting the Decepticons.... Star Wars has politics and a rebellion. Star Trek has the United Federation of Planets but has to have a major enemy...
I'd much rather have exploration but unfortunately exploration is a planet-of-the-week type of episodic rather than a serialized story with many of the same characters over 13 episodes. Different type of storytelling. I wonder if season 2 of DSC will have some episodic planet-of-the-week story arcs after feedback from the fans?

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

I'm curious to see how much of a "reboot" Discovery will be (if at all). I'm hoping that is does stay in line with the Prime universe. Had it been in the NuTrek reality I doubt I'd give it much attention.

 

[ralph]

Star Trek is a very large universe. It's not just space exploration. We have all sorts of events and conflicts, in addition to others events that were mentioned during the dozens of episodes. Klingons are present in TOS, STNG, DS9. They are the closest enemies of the Federation. They can not be ignored. And considering the time of the series, Gorns, Tholians are little known and the Romulans only appeared in "Balance of Terror". I believe they are telling a specific story that brought changes to the Federation and Klingons.
We have the Federation, Klingons, two ships, Mudd, Sarek and everything else is just some wild speculation.

 

[Dukhat]

Totally disagree. I don't know what the new series will be about but it is certainly possible to write a serialized story that involves exploration. There can be a larger arc but that arc can require exploration to advance the story.

But we're talking about DSC here. It's already been established that it's going to be a political allegory (the STVI reference), and it's full of Klingons, so I don't see lots of space exploration in a 13 episode story arc about that.

 

[Mudd]

No idea what the series will be about.

 

[Relayer1]

there aren't going to be planet-or-aliens-of-the-week shows like before.

For which I will be duly thankful. It's been done to death.

Political Trek appeals to me. For anyone familiar with Treklit, my favourite novel is Articles of the Federation.

 

[Dukhat]

For which I will be duly thankful. It's been done to death.

Political Trek appeals to me. For anyone familiar with Treklit, my favourite novel is Articles of the Federation.

The planet-of-the-week format worked fine for TOS. TNG simply copied that formula, but also added some mild story arcs. DS9 had very little planet-of-the-weeks and was all about story arcs. But then both VOY and ENT went right back to the planet-of-the-week stuff, and by that time the formula was getting old and stale. The producers even knew this; that's why by ENT's third season they realized that they needed to do something different, hence the Xindi arc, and then the mini-story arc season 4. But by then it was too late.

I predict we're never going to see anything like that again in future Trek productions.

 

[MadeIndescribable]

The planet-of-the-week format worked fine for TOS. TNG simply copied that formula, but also added some mild story arcs. DS9 had very little planet-of-the-weeks and was all about story arcs. But then both VOY and ENT went right back to the planet-of-the-week stuff, and by that time the formula was getting old and stale. The producers even knew this; that's why by ENT's third season they realized that they needed to do something different, hence the Xindi arc, and then the mini-story arc season 4. But by then it was too late.

I predict we're never going to see anything like that again in future Trek productions.

It's not just Trek, TV drama as a whole has adopted serialised arcs over episodic storytelling.

 

[Mr Awe]

But we're talking about DSC here. It's already been established that it's going to be a political allegory (the STVI reference), and it's full of Klingons, so I don't see lots of space exploration in a 13 episode story arc about that.

That's fan speculation. There hasn't been official word about it. I don't know what it's about exactly. None of us do. You might be right. My point is that given what we know, exploration is not ruled out.

Mr Awe

 

[Mr. Adventure]

The point is this is a de facto reboot and the Klingons are the most recognisable aliens in the 'Trekverse'; thanks to B&B, possibly moreso than the Vulcans.
To leave them out would be like Superman without Lex Luthor or Batman without the Joker
For an audience being introduced to 'Trek' the inclusion of these iconic foes is a must - and after all, a new audience is what the company is aiming for.

I suppose that means the Borg won't be far behind.

 

[The Wormhole]

It seems to me as though Discovery will follow the Klingon War narrative which, presumably Into Darkness was specifically setting up and newer fans would have seen, but Beyond then just ignored

There was never going to be a Klingon war in the movies. The second comic story arc after STID took care of all the Klingon stuff STID set up. If Orci had any intention of setting that up in his movie, he would never have allowed IDW to do that storyline.

why this isn't set in the Kelvinverse I don't know? Probably licensing issues?

It's specifically so they can be free to do their own thing without having to coordinate with the movies and be in lockstep with them.

The point is this is a de facto reboot and the Klingons are the most recognisable aliens in the 'Trekverse'; thanks to B&B, possibly moreso than the Vulcans.

How is this "thanks to B&B?" Berman had very little to do with Klingons, Braga even less. Arguably the most Klingon heavy episode both of them were involved with is probably Broken Bow.

 

[MadeIndescribable]

There was never going to be a Klingon war in the movies. The second comic story arc after STID took care of all the Klingon stuff STID set up. If Orci had any intention of setting that up in his movie, he would never have allowed IDW to do that storyline.

That sucks. I love how transmedia narratives are becoming more of a thing, but hate it when it seems like its just being used as a marketing ploy to sell more comics/books/etc.

It's specifically so they can be free to do their own thing without having to coordinate with the movies and be in lockstep with them.

Well, that does make sense at least.

 

[C.E. Evans]

I love how transmedia narratives are becoming more of a thing, but hate it when it seems like its just being used as a marketing ploy to sell more comics/books/etc.

It was more of a case that the comics were just dumping grounds for stuff that was never going to be in the movies anyway. In a few cases, they explained some stuff that was glossed over in the movies (such as why the Enterprise was carrying around a merchant ship in Into Darkness, or why Khan didn't look like a Sikh anymore).

 

[mos6507]

I predict we're never going to see anything like that again in future Trek productions.

Many here predicted Trek would never come back to TV using the same cocky "this is how showbiz works now, people" logic like you're slinging now. So be careful about being too self-assured with those predictions.

 

[Dukhat]

Many here predicted Trek would never come back to TV using the same cocky "this is how showbiz works now, people" logic like you're slinging now. So be careful about being too self-assured with those predictions.

I'll "sling" whatever I damn well like, thank you. And we'll see in 2024 when DSC premieres, won't we?

 

[unimatrix7]

How is this "thanks to B&B?" Berman had very little to do with Klingons, Braga even less. Arguably the most Klingon heavy episode both of them were involved with is probably Broken Bow.

It was Ron D Moore that loved him some Klingon Klaptrap. But we can't blame him for anything as he is a saint. 'B&B' are the easiest of easy targets.


Anyway, my guess - it's only a guess people, calm down - is that the Federation will painted as a Westeros in Space. Trying to capture the GoT magic with Trek tropes. Y'know, conspiracies and war, and nasty people, and scary people, and grumpy people, and no humour and so on.

 

[a thousand-yard stare]

It was Ron D Moore that loved him some Klingon Klaptrap. But we can't blame him for anything as he is a saint. 'B&B' are the easiest of easy targets.

Yeah...
Criticise RDM and you might as well hang a placard around your own neck: HERETIC!
('Sides, added opprobrium for B&B won't substantially increase their already considerable burdens)

Anyway, my guess - it's only a guess people, calm down - is that the Federation will painted as a Westeros in Space. Trying to capture the GoT magic with Trek tropes. Y'know, conspiracies and war, and nasty people, and scary people, and grumpy people, and no humour and so on.

That sounds like a representative cross-section of the ST fanbase. Plenty for them to relate to...



(edited for too much 'add'ing)

 

[somebuddyX]

I love some space politics. I always enjoy those scenes in Trek like Operation Retrieve but I'm sure they're not going to be the focus for Discovery. We may not get space adventure anomaly of the week for this show but hopefully it does whatever it does well enough to just enjoy it.

 

[jamestyler]

Anyway, my guess - it's only a guess people, calm down - is that the Federation will painted as a Westeros in Space. Trying to capture the GoT magic with Trek tropes. Y'know, conspiracies and war, and nasty people, and scary people, and grumpy people, and no humour and so on.

I do hope that they show some complexity in the Federation, it's huge with more than just 'everyone holding hands' potential. Though I doubt there's no humour and it'll all be doom and gloom with comments so far.