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Started watching Enterprise for the first time ever

Other moments of stupidity: Fighting over a deuterium mine on a planet ( :wtf: ), and a race with transporter technology being stopped by a ring of fire. T'Pol teaching the entire crew a Vulcan martial art in 10 minutes so they can defeat Klingons in hand-to-hand combat. Said Klingons, a warrior race with space ships that can devistate a planet, being chased off by sloppy amateur martial arts.
 
It is not a particular good episode but deuterium is obviously valuable and these Klingons were not really combat-experienced pirates but rather a bunch of lazy bullies who cruise through the galaxy on a freighter and look for easy victims.
 
Yabbut dieuterium is NOT hard to find. The galaxy is full of hydrogen and water. Ain't no need to fight over it. And... it's not found in MINES! :wtf: :lol:
It might be more about having others do the work for them, than deuterium being hard to find.

And given that hydrogen is found in undergound pockets, and you drill to obtain it, and people mining for other substances find various gases all the time, what do you mean deuterium isn't mined?

:)
 
Antimatter is synthesized so the main source of power is fusion and perhaps solar panels. The supply of deuterium sooner or later runs out (the guys in Marauders might have had fusion power for far longer than humankind) and demand is always high anyway so it can very well be valuable.
 
I tried to sit through Enterprise just for the sake of Spiner. I love me my Spiner, but I swear I was going crazy trying to watch that. No offense meant to those who like Enterprise, but dear Gods! I felt like I was caught in Suspended Animation.
 
"Acquisition" Today...

I wouldn't have though an episode where the entire first ten minutes consist of nothing but the Enterprise being ransacked would be appealing, but it actually turned out to be quite a fun ep.
 
Well if you like it in S1-S2 (I thought it was warmed-over VOY scripts, originally cribbed from TNG), then you should love S3 (ENT's stab at aping DS9's serialized war story approach - half-assed but still an improvement over S1-S2) and S4 (when Manny Coto took over and turned the series into fanfic, which turned out to be a significant improvement - hey, some fanfic is really good!)
 
Yikes! I've just hit the first Berman + Braga nauseating preachy episode, and it is a humdinger.

It involves Phlox and Archer agreeing to essentially commit genocide by inaction... genocide of a sentient spacefaring species a little more advanced than 2012 real-life earth, no less.

My memory of that episode is dim by this point, but as I recall, where the logic fell apart was Phlox and Archer (or just Phlox) assuming they are somehow "outside" evolution, that their actions have no bearing on which species is "fit" to survive, and that their moral judgments have any relevance to anything.

If one of the species had characteristics that made Phlox more inclined to help them survive, then that is fitness enough. It doesn't matter if those qualities are "shallow." Cats for instance are a highly successful species because their looks and behavior induce a superior species to care for them.

Evolution doesn't care about right or wrong, or good or bad. It just is. If Phlox likes Species A over Species B because Species A has pink polka dots, and Phlox likes pink polka dots, that is good enough for evolution, and Species A "deserves" to survive on that basis alone. The episode tried to shoehorn morality into an essentially amoral phenomenon.
 
As this thread discusses Enterprise without any broader general Trek context, I'll move it to the Enterprise forum.
 
I'm into season two now.

Those Suliban really are a nasty bunch. Each ST series seems to have a recurring villain species and so far in Ent this seems to be he Suliban.. and they may just be the most dangerous of the lot.

Makes me wonder why they never make any appearances in TOS thru VOY though. (In terms of an in-universe explanation I mean.) Maybe their non stop fuckery with the timeline bit them in the arse at some point and they paradoxed themselves out of existence or something.

I've just watched a daft episode where Archer cut a tree with a chainsaw and pranced about in tribal war paint to appease some super-sensitive easily offended species. And his dog nearly died.

The last ep I've watched prior to posting involved a mining colony getting shaken down by Klingon thugs. Archer & co decide to help them.

There ensues a complicated plot involving highly pressurised wellheads full of deuterium... apparently to give them a way to put the Klingons in a checkmate position without killing them, thus retaining the moral high ground. During the battle they manage to lure the 7-strong force of Klingons into walking across totally flat open terrain towards a large armed force in perfect defilade in the hills. If they'd wanted to gun them down at that point it would have been easy as clubbing baby seals.

The whole ep begs the question of why and how they were mining deuterium out of the ground in the middle of a desert though. My personal suspicion is that the writers don't have a clue what deuterium is. They could use a science advisor or two...
 
There are definitely parts of ENT where all I can think of as an explanation is the line from the Mystery Science Theatre 3000 opening credits, "Just repeat to yourself, 'It's just a show. I should really just relax.'"

As for A Night in Sickbay (the chainsaw one), a lot of people don't like it. It does supply some lovely visuals for T'Pol/Archer 'shipping, though. Plus you can never have too much Porthos. :)
 
"Just repeat to yourself, 'It's just a show. I should really just relax.'"
That's very true, it's just a show. That said, if I'm "relaxed" and don't find the setting is drawing me in, or the stories interesting, or the characters endearing after 5+ episodes or even an entire season, I'm gonna eventually change the channel...

...which I did.
 
Just watched an episode called "The Communicator".

In it, Archer, Reed and Hoshi have been down on some planet that's at about a WWII era technological level. Disguised as natives, they've been observing the culture or what have you. Apparently these people are on the verge of a world war.

Anyway they are back on the enterprise and then Reed discovers he's left his communicator on the planet.

So they start doing scans to see if they can find it. At this point I'm thinking, come on, this is getting silly, it's only a communicator, the chances of it vastly fucking over their society is low. However T'pol predictably insists that they should retrieve it at all costs to prevent "cultural contamination".

So Archer and Reed get made up as the natives again and go down to try to retrieve the communicator... only to get promptly captured, under suspicion of being spies for "the Alliance" (the enemy of the nation they are in). Looks like they should have just let that lost communicator go. Now, after a search of Reed and Archer's pockets, the natives have two communicators, a couple of tricorders, and Reed's phaser. So much for preventing cultural contamination.

The two of them are then taken for interrogation. Matters haven't been helped by the fact that the Enterprise had tried to hail them - the result of which was that the communicator went off literally in the hands of one of the native officers who was examining it. They heard T'pol asking for the Captain (minor plot hole - they shouldn't have been able to understand her, it's a communicator not a universal translator) and want to know who T'pol is and which one of them is the captain.

So this general is interrogating them and they're saying nothing. I can sense a beating coming up, and sure enough the general signals a big nasty guard who punches them in the face a few times. This damages their disguise, which the natives then peel off, and also makes them bleed, revealing red blood which is apparently not the natives' natural blood colour. The general orders a doctor to examine them.

The doc x-rays them, revealing their human internal physiology, and does tests on their blood, revealing their iron-based haemoglobin, which would be toxic to these people apparently. The general also presents a photo of their shuttlecraft in flight which had been spotted by a military aircraft earlier that day.

The natives then correctly theorise that Reed and Archer are another species and that they are extraterrestrials from another star system. At this point I'm thinking, OK, the game's up, you have to know when you've been made. But they still try to deny it. Reed comes out with some spiel about being genetically modified Alliance prototype super soldiers. I thought they were getting a bit beyond a joke in their dedication to "prevening cultural contamination" at this point, but it was nothing to what came next...

They were sent back to their cells. You coudl tell the doctor and the military officers weren't really buying Reed's story. The doc says he would like to examine their insides in more detail - he wants to conduct an autopsy! The general concurs, and decides to order them executed.

Cut to Reed and Archer in their cells awaiting execution. They talk about telling the aliens the truth to save their lives, but Archer gives this high-minded vulcan-influenced speech about cultural contamination blah blah blah, you can tell T'pol has thorughly corrupted him with Vulcan ethics by this stage. And Reed goes along with it, I guess because he's the captain.

By this point I'm speechless, I'm thinking if I was Reed I'd be telling Archer to go fuck a targ, I'm not getting my neck stretched over some tight-arse vulcan ideas about who is and isn't "ready" to know about the existence of aliens. They come down here and I'm gonna open my mouth and tell them the whole story, and there ain't shit you can do about it, sir.

But nope, he goes along with it. Suffice to say by the time the cavalry arrives the two of them are standing on the trap doors with nooses around their necks. There follows a firefight (a rare rayguns vs bullets firefight in ST).

When all is said and done the natives have been exposed to:


  • Communicators (and heard a transmission from one of them)
  • Tricorders
  • A phase pistol (and had some target practice with it)
  • Clearly alien physiologies
  • Cloaked ships
  • Another alien (Vulcan) though they may not have had time to notice as it was in the middle of a firefight


Nice going for a mission whose job was to "prevent cultural contamination"

And you just know it never occurs to smug superior T'pol that it would have been a lot better to just leave that communicator where it was and move on.

As with most "prime directive" type eps, this one was thoroughly... unintelligent.

Actually it did a good job of demonstrating that Vulcan obsession with preventing even the slightest "contamination" was over the top.

Parting thought: Why didn't they just lock onto the communicator and beam it up?
 
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I think re not locking onto the communicator, they don't have such good, granular scanning that would allow for that (I'm sure someone will come along and correct me and/or use the correct terminology).

And yeah, it's overkill (almost literally that). Plus no one goes back to that planet, or even thinks about it ever again, although I suppose that's one of the jobs of fan fic, to fill in a lot of the angsty what-if thoughts that people of conscience really should have after they've screwed up.
 
It's getting to the point now where every time T'pol says "cultural contamination" I want to reach into the screen and start strangling.
 
That's right, I never watched Enterprise before.
After never watching ENT and becoming a member of TrekBBS back in 2009 and hearing that the first 2 seasons weren't that good I started watching ENT on DVD from Netflix and watched the pilot and maybe one other of the first few episodes and then jumped to season 3. The pilot told me who everyone was and I did not feel lost in season 3.
Wow season 3 was good. Long story arcs and character arcs that were the whole season long!
I've watched some of season 4 and some of the other eps here and there on Netflix streaming.

There are a few episodes that are particularly cinematic. The visual effects are as good as you see in a movie and pretty epic and not TV quality really. see this thread:
most cinematic ENT episode?

Enjoy. I loved the 16:9 widescreen framing as well for more of a movie feel.
 
I'm thinking if I was Reed I'd be telling Archer to go fuck a targ, I'm not getting my neck stretched over some tight-arse vulcan ideas about who is and isn't "ready" to know about the existence of aliens. They come down here and I'm gonna open my mouth and tell them the whole story, and there ain't shit you can do about it, sir.
Now that would have been a scene for the ages. :lol: Especially delivered with British aplomb by Reed.
 
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