Probably, though I was a Spenser fan, so I could see why they did it. Hawk was an iconic character, and they were probably wise to distance Sisko from him... at least at first.
Started Out Wrong and They Fixed It
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I was (perhaps) oversimplifying. I read a description of how the device worked, and it literally just sped up the tape incrementally.
I remember a TV movie I saw in the early '70s, based (I think) on one of Torey Hayden's books, about how the author used such a device te discover that one of her patients, a boy that seemed to speak in high-pitched gibberish, was actually reciting Ad copy at high speed. She then used this information to teach him to speak slower, and essentially "cured" him.
Assuming that goof even existed in the first place.
Janice Lester is the ultimate unreliable narrator, after all...
But Kirk was supposed to be reliable and he didn't disagree.
All I can say for Turnabout Intruder is that the show was canceled and nobody gave much of a damn and were too busy looking for other work.
Or the reason Kirk didn't outright disagree with Janice was because he knew that it would be useless to argue with her once her mind was made up about something. With some people, no matter how much you know for a fact they are wrong, you just get to a point of stopping to bother trying to help them see they are incortect.
Plus, such a disagreement would have likely caused a heated argument with her, and Kirk didn't want her to get that way because she was in a weakened state and needed rest.
In real life, you can't "reason" someone out of a delusion by confronting them with reality.
There's an episode of House M.D. where a patient believes he has superpowers. One of the psychiatrists treating him challenges him to do something extra-normal if he has powers. I remember reading reviews from actual psychiatrists when the episode aired where they said it's the absolute opposite of what you would do in that situation. People suffering from delusions will bend the reality they're confronted with to fit with their delusion, instead of being pulled into realizing the truth. And they will also become irritated and may become aggressive by the challenge to their delusion.
So maybe Kirk knew that he wouldn't get anywhere by disagreeing except to escalate the situation even more.
I doubt the writers of TOS knew that.
Fascinating: I've visited Wendy's site many times, but never the Eltro page.
As to altering Malachi's voice, it was either that or pay another actor to re-loop The Keeper, given that he'd been cast as Mendez.
As to altering Malachi's voice, it was either that or pay another actor to re-loop The Keeper, given that he'd been cast as Mendez.
Yeah. I'm sure it was quicker and simpler to have an engineer re-process the existing Keeper's voice (Throne's), rather than have a voice actor play the whole role again. And the Eltro'd voice was just plain better for the petite Talosian character.
I think Malachi Throne was cast as Mendez so they would have him on hand to record bits of new Keeper dialogue that would match the old, and they'd have their Commodore Mendez, all for one actor's paycheck.
Throne got the Keeper's voice job in the first place because Roddenberry wanted him for the ship's doctor, but he declined. Then Throne was right there on GR's radar, and got the voice role. And later on, Throne got Mendez for efficiency's sake, when he would be doing new bits of the Keeper anyway.
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At the end, Kirk ended with "Her life could have been as rich as any woman's", after Lester was back in her body and had left with McCoy and Coleman, and Kirk was talking only to Spock and Scott. That indicates that a woman's life could never be as rich as a starship captain's.
It could also indicate that a woman's life is richer than a man's in the 23rd century. Like when I say, "His chances with women are as good as any star player in the NBA." Meaning, better than mine.
That would follow the current trend: women now make up 60 percent of university students, and apparently young women now out-earn young men in the workforce.
It could mean either one. Or neither. Let's just say that the episode was filled with ambiguities about sexism, and that the ambiguities were one of the few redeeming characteristics in a generally bad episode.
How does it indicate that? Lester was so hateful of being a woman that she probably couldn't make it as a Starfleet officer, let alone a captain. Just look at her behavior while she inhabited Kirk... she was on a power trip. A dangerous one, too.
Kirk's line seems to me that if she wasn't so hateful about who she is, she could have been anything... including a starship captain.
I can't take anything Lester says as serious because she was clearly unhinged.
That last post from @Farscape One reminds me of a gag from Neil Simon's Murder By Death:
I'm also reminded of a descriptive bit from the Blish adaptation, saying that Lester was (if I remember the exact words right) "crooning a song of self-hatred."
I'm also reminded of a descriptive bit from the Blish adaptation, saying that Lester was (if I remember the exact words right) "crooning a song of self-hatred."
I wonder how those therapists would react to the "Knight of Mirrors" from "Man of La Mancha"
So, our favorite retcons in other words.
Season 3 of "Discovery"
They fixed the two most glaring mistakes of its original conception: being a prequel, and Michael being Spock-lite. Moving the crew to the far future allowed the show to give us something new and interesting, and Michael turns out to be a perfectly decent character when she's allowed to be her own character. The conclusion to the Burn story arc was pretty infuriating to put it mildly, but at least the other 32nd Century stories were interesting enough.
I also have to say that I love "Star Trek: Picard" for ignoring the continuity of the Relaunch novels.
Not that some of the books didn't have good stories and characters in them. But they overall seemed determined to undermine "Voyager's" effects on the saga, instead of building off of them. They rendered Voyager's finsl victory against the Borg meaningless, and went so far as to completely de-Borg Seven of Nine.
The "Picard" show on the other hand completely respected "Voyager's" contributions to the saga, and built off of them. Showing how the weakened Borg collective and its remnants are still affecting the galaxy; allowing Seven's conflict and quest for humanity to continue developing naturally; and making the weakened Borg still a major threat, as they sought to regain their former power. Whatever questionable decisions the show made were a miniscule price to pay, for me personally.
And finally, TNG's "the Chase."
They took one of the franchise's most infamous special effects limitations, and not only provided an in-universe explanation for it, but one that tied into the themes of "Star Trek." Both the theme of unity across races, and of making social commentary on real-life politics.
Season 3 of "Discovery"
They fixed the two most glaring mistakes of its original conception: being a prequel, and Michael being Spock-lite. Moving the crew to the far future allowed the show to give us something new and interesting, and Michael turns out to be a perfectly decent character when she's allowed to be her own character. The conclusion to the Burn story arc was pretty infuriating to put it mildly, but at least the other 32nd Century stories were interesting enough.
I also have to say that I love "Star Trek: Picard" for ignoring the continuity of the Relaunch novels.
Not that some of the books didn't have good stories and characters in them. But they overall seemed determined to undermine "Voyager's" effects on the saga, instead of building off of them. They rendered Voyager's finsl victory against the Borg meaningless, and went so far as to completely de-Borg Seven of Nine.
The "Picard" show on the other hand completely respected "Voyager's" contributions to the saga, and built off of them. Showing how the weakened Borg collective and its remnants are still affecting the galaxy; allowing Seven's conflict and quest for humanity to continue developing naturally; and making the weakened Borg still a major threat, as they sought to regain their former power. Whatever questionable decisions the show made were a miniscule price to pay, for me personally.
And finally, TNG's "the Chase."
They took one of the franchise's most infamous special effects limitations, and not only provided an in-universe explanation for it, but one that tied into the themes of "Star Trek." Both the theme of unity across races, and of making social commentary on real-life politics.
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Working in the mental health field and having adopted siblings and knowing way too much...yes, I need the reassurance. Otherwise, it's left to my imagination:But really, how hard would it be? Maybe I watched "Oliver!" one time too many as a child, or heard a few foster care nightmare stories as an educator. Maybe I like a little reassurance that these youngsters weren't left to the mercy of the child welfare system.
SF DEBRIS: "God damn my imagination."
Another TNG example: Riker's beard. So much so that it became a shorthand on TV Tropes for a show substantially improving from what it was.
I felt they made the mistake of more or less turning ENT into an alien of the week show, as if it was VOY season 8 and 9, instead of telling real prequel stories ... and it was even worse imo introducing an entirely new major race with the Xindi -- what point is there in making a prequel, when you don't really want to tell prequel stories?
But they got it right in season 4. That season told the kind of prequel stories I had hoped for right from the beginning. Too bad it was cancelled just the moment it had really become good.
But they got it right in season 4. That season told the kind of prequel stories I had hoped for right from the beginning. Too bad it was cancelled just the moment it had really become good.
If by getting rid of it you mean fully embracing it.
I like how with Picard and Prodigy they basically leaned into the Temporal Cold War. We see some of the players as being the Watchers - the people who Gary Seven, Tallinn, and Wesley Crusher work for. By extension, The Guardian of Forever was implicitly retconned as being part of that conflict, along with Braxton from the 29th Century, and the Romulan in SNW Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow. In fact, it was that episode with the Romulan explaining time keeps being altered sealed the deal for me that the Temporal Cold War is not gone nor forgotten.