Starship Enterprise vs. Battlestar Galactica
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All righty, I'll be nice, for the moment anyway.
It just occurred to me:
You know, if it were so easy to jump a raptor into another ship, don't you think that would be almost standard practice in the BSG universe? Just build a pilot-less Raptor like ship, pack it with a nuke, and jump it into any base ship that appears. But wait, Cylons have more advanced jump engines than the Colonials, and unlimited supply of ships, nukes, so why aren't they doing that? If not to the Colonials, than to each other in their little civil war?
So to ALL of you who keep wondering about BSG universe ships jumping into another ship...EPIC FAIL, and watch the darn show a bit more closely, now, will ya???
It just occurred to me:
You know, if it were so easy to jump a raptor into another ship, don't you think that would be almost standard practice in the BSG universe? Just build a pilot-less Raptor like ship, pack it with a nuke, and jump it into any base ship that appears. But wait, Cylons have more advanced jump engines than the Colonials, and unlimited supply of ships, nukes, so why aren't they doing that? If not to the Colonials, than to each other in their little civil war?
So to ALL of you who keep wondering about BSG universe ships jumping into another ship...EPIC FAIL, and watch the darn show a bit more closely, now, will ya???
Star Trek has beamed bombs into other ships exactly once ever that I can recall, and it was considered a novel idea if memory serves. Just because something is obvious doesn't mean the writers will think to address it.
Besides, a Raptor *did* jump into a mountainside once as I recall, so there's no physical barrier. It's just a matter of targeting and luck.
Besides, a Raptor *did* jump into a mountainside once as I recall, so there's no physical barrier. It's just a matter of targeting and luck.
Just have to say:
Round 1: Phasers VS. Kinetic-Energy Turrets
Enterprise would win as they said. The Enterprise's shields would be able to defend against the KETs.
Round 2: Photon Torpedoes VS. Nukes
Enterprise would win again. They said that the Enterprise wouldn't be able to take a nuke hit, but we saw it do just that in Balance of Terror.
Round 3: Sensors VS. DRADIS
Enterprise's sensors would provide more detailed information than just the location of enemy ships - like where specifically to target to destroy the ship the fastest.
Round 4: Shuttles VS. Vipers
Galactica would win in this instance because the Vipers are designed for combat.
Round 5: Impulse Engines & Warp Drives VS. Ion Engines & FTL Drives
I say this is a tie. Enterprise has the advantage at non FTL speeds, but the Galactica has the advantage with the FTL Jump Drive.
Round 6: Transporters VS. Raptors
Enterprise again. The ability to get somewhere in the blink of an eye is a serious advantage.
Round 7: Shields VS. Point-Defense Cannons
I hate to burst their bubble but the shields would protect from more than the PDCs. Enterprise's phasers would rip right through it.
Round 1: Phasers VS. Kinetic-Energy Turrets
Enterprise would win as they said. The Enterprise's shields would be able to defend against the KETs.
Round 2: Photon Torpedoes VS. Nukes
Enterprise would win again. They said that the Enterprise wouldn't be able to take a nuke hit, but we saw it do just that in Balance of Terror.
Round 3: Sensors VS. DRADIS
Enterprise's sensors would provide more detailed information than just the location of enemy ships - like where specifically to target to destroy the ship the fastest.
Round 4: Shuttles VS. Vipers
Galactica would win in this instance because the Vipers are designed for combat.
Round 5: Impulse Engines & Warp Drives VS. Ion Engines & FTL Drives
I say this is a tie. Enterprise has the advantage at non FTL speeds, but the Galactica has the advantage with the FTL Jump Drive.
Round 6: Transporters VS. Raptors
Enterprise again. The ability to get somewhere in the blink of an eye is a serious advantage.
Round 7: Shields VS. Point-Defense Cannons
I hate to burst their bubble but the shields would protect from more than the PDCs. Enterprise's phasers would rip right through it.
3D Master
Rear Admiral
Star Trek can NOT do that, because there is such a thing as shields that black transporters.
If FTL jump could be targeted to within a few meters you'd basically have an indefensible attack. And Cylon ships certainly have better sensors and FTL drives than Colonial. For example that boarding party in the Heavy Raider that flew through the flak storm to board the BSG... that becomes pointless.
I think the only thing you can say is that if the tech is capable of that they haven't refined it in a space combat situation to be a useful tactic as of yet.
I think the only thing you can say is that if the tech is capable of that they haven't refined it in a space combat situation to be a useful tactic as of yet.
Agreed. If they could use the jump drives as strategic weapons, the Cylons certainly would have done so already, especially during the Battle of New Caprica. So it becomes a fluke, like I said above.
Also, Star Trek has shown ships using the transporter in combat situations - the NX-01 transported several components straight out of her 100-year old duplicate while the two were battling and definitely using evasive maneuvers. Voyager also fell victim to a hit-and-run transporter attack when she was caught off guard with her shields down.
But in most combat situations, this becomes a moot point, as if your target has lost its shields, it probably has a good deal of other damage already.
Also, Star Trek has shown ships using the transporter in combat situations - the NX-01 transported several components straight out of her 100-year old duplicate while the two were battling and definitely using evasive maneuvers. Voyager also fell victim to a hit-and-run transporter attack when she was caught off guard with her shields down.
But in most combat situations, this becomes a moot point, as if your target has lost its shields, it probably has a good deal of other damage already.
Omega_Glory
Commodore
Trek novels have nothing to do with canon. So it is meaningless.
I just have to say, what does it matter? We all love certain shows. The ones we like, we like according to our tastes. Of the shows mentioned I like all. I'd much rather explore the possible crossovers vs which one is more powerful. Even the actors are pretty top notch in most cases. I mean Patrick Stewart and Edward James Olmos followed by Kate Mulgrew, etc. Does anyone else like this type discussion more? As far as the current thread, if I were forced to vote, I would have to go with Enterprise for the most part. When you think of BSG and even Star Wars and their Star Destroyers, they rely as much on small craft to help in their protection. The Gallactica/Pegasus I believe is the biggest ship. B5 is not a ship, it's a station. I mean you can go for days in comparisons. I just joined up and hope to enjoy this as much as I enjoy all the shows that have been mentioned.
I know it's a resurrected thread but... seriously? Galactica? The Galactica is so low on the Treknology totem pole that I don't think we've even see anything comparable, since most species that have left their star system seem to be higher up.
The NX-01 would have no trouble dealing with the Galactica. A Runabout would have no trouble dealing with Galactica.
The NX-01 would have no trouble dealing with the Galactica. A Runabout would have no trouble dealing with Galactica.
You resurrected a nine year old thread just to say it doesn't matter? That's more ironic than ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife.
The photon torpedo supposedly contains 1.5 kilos of antimatter, which gives an explosive punch of 64 megatons or 269 petajoules of energy.
By contrast, a Nuclear Tomahawk cruise missile (a good basis for Galatica's nukes?) has a yield of between 5 kilotons (21 terajoules) to 150 kilotons (628 terajoules), ie less 0.1% of the 'oomph'.
That might be the claim of various sources, but only the original series and perhaps Star Trek: The Motion Picture got it right. After that, the depicted detonations were pitifully weak and looked more like conventional explosives.
both ships can survive nearly a decade of cold storage in thread purgatory before their threads are reengaged to full power and discussion of gigajoules.
That's over 8.6 kilovoombles of ancient thread exposure! The resurrection being cased on a trans-newbian replytosayIdonotcarium shell enhances the yield somewhat, and further puts both ships and the discussion in a nearly unbreakable state.
That's over 8.6 kilovoombles of ancient thread exposure! The resurrection being cased on a trans-newbian replytosayIdonotcarium shell enhances the yield somewhat, and further puts both ships and the discussion in a nearly unbreakable state.
I completely agree that the special effects don't ncessarily reflect the above figures, but even the relatively modest capabilities of the modern nuke are varible in yield (3 to 100% on average) I don't think it's much of a stretch than Starfleet torpedoes have similar capabilities.