Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard

[David cgc]

Well, I'm looking forward to the inevitable fan-edit that redoes some key visual effects shots to show what it would've looked like with the original Titan. The best part is, you can leave most of the dialog as-is.

Don't get me wrong, I always want more movie-era ships, but I would've done it simply by setting a show during the movie era, or having the ship be of an older design.

 

[fireproof78]

Neo-Constitution is one of my favorites. I like it more than the Luna.

 

[Tuskin38]

but it looks like downgrade for me.

Looks aren't everything. It's the technology under the hood.

Poor Intrepid class!

Well there was only one Intrepid on the shelf, so more got taken than the -D.

 

[Mudd]

There's not "little similarity" between the Titan and Titan-A designs. There's no similarity.

The corker is the saucer itself - Titan has the 24th century-standard oval saucer and Titan-A's is circular. No refitting to be done there. Every structural member would have to be replaced.*

*Well, except maybe two.

 

[Tuskin38]

There's not "little similarity" between the Titan and Titan-A designs. There's no similarity.

The corker is the saucer itself - Titan has the 24th century-standard oval saucer and Titan-A's is circular. No refitting to be done there. Every structural member would have to be replaced (well, except maybe two ).

Makes just as much sense as the TOS Enterprise being refit into the TMP Enterprise. I.E it's nonsense.
It's a complete rebuild in both cases.

 

[Mudd]

Makes just as much sense as the TOS Enterprise being refit into the TMP Enterprise.

No, in fact, it does not make "just as much sense." That's simply your opinion, and it's not very observant.

 

[Tuskin38]

No, in fact, it does not make "just as much sense." That's simply your opinion, and it's not very observant.

you cut out the rest of my post removing all context for my opinion.

 

[David cgc]

You can make minor revisions to the details of the TOS design (well within the variations between the 3-foot, 11-foot, FJ, and SNW versions) and get the major structures of the engineering section, neck, and saucer to line up perfectly with the TMP version. It's much less of an effort of imagination than seeing that the two Titans' engineering hulls are sort of the same shape, if you squint. The meme that the TMP and TOS ships are nothing alike is just not seeing the forest for the trees, never mind extrapolating out that it means that, in Star Trek, you can turn any ship into any other ship with a coat of paint and a body kit.

The whole refit/new build thing is just intentional obfuscation to hide that Matalas wanted this specific movie-era design to be a hero-ship, and had to get around that it didn't make sense with the era and that the ship he wanted it to be already had a design established for it. This conversation, right now, is the bullet we dodged when Drexler insisted on designing a brand new ship for ENT instead of using the Akira as-is.

 

[fireproof78]

I never found the TMP refit fit that well. So, calling the Titan a refit fits with Star Trek's trend in the past. If I can accept it then I probably can get along with this as well.

 

[Magistos]

I'm going to head-canon it into - The language has drifted a little bit in this instance and "refit" now means "recycled". So if you start with a ship, disassemble it, and use some of the parts in a new ship, it's a refit.

In a post-scarcity society where construction materials are probably easily fabricated, recycle and refit may very well have almost merged into a complete circle on the Venn Diagram.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm going to head-canon it into - The language has drifted a little bit in this instance and "refit" now means "recycled". So if you start with a ship, disassemble it, and use some of the parts in a new ship, it's a refit.

In a post-scarcity society where construction materials are probably easily fabricated, recycle and refit may very well have almost merged into a complete circle on the Venn Diagram.

It works for me too. Nicely put!

 

[WarpFactorZ]

I literally posted this on the previous page.

I'm going to head-canon it into - The language has drifted a little bit in this instance and "refit" now means "recycled". So if you start with a ship, disassemble it, and use some of the parts in a new ship, it's a refit.

In a post-scarcity society where construction materials are probably easily fabricated, recycle and refit may very well have almost merged into a complete circle on the Venn Diagram.

Maybe in the 23rd/24th/25th century, the word "refit" has taken on a new meaning. Perhaps it means the material within a ship's hull was recycled in some kind of 3D printing / beaming process to build the new ship. It's only related loosely to the original definition through etymology. For example, I still say that I'm going to "tape" a TV show, even though what I'm actually doing is digitally storing a file to the cloud, which has nothing whatsoever to do with tape.

 

[fireproof78]

I literally posted this on the previous page.

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[HotRod]

I think the Titan is growing on me. When I first saw it, I couldn't get over the absurd amount of impulse engines and the retro styling. But you know what? Two episodes in, and I find myself less and less bothered. I don't know why or what changed in my head, but I actually kinda like that ship. That said.....

The Enterprise-F is still fugly.

 

[cooleddie74]

Most of the PIC ship designs are pinup models compared to DSC Seasons 1 and 2.

 

[fireproof78]

Give me DSC over most 24th/25th century ships.

Except the Discovery. Ugly.

 

[Magistos]

Jack is the one who irks me the most. He is thoroughly unlikable to me. Granted, that may change, but ugh.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Give me DSC over most 24th/25th century ships.

Except the Discovery. Ugly.

IMO, the originally-proposed DSC design from the first teaser trailer seemed more aesthetically appealing:

Jack is the one who irks me the most. He is thoroughly unlikable to me. Granted, that may change, but ugh.

I feel the same way. After some introspection on the matter, I feel like I may be projecting my disdain for his rapey-scum character Stephen Bonnett from Outlander. He's not doing much to dissuade that feeling, however, in this new character.

 

[Magistos]

I feel the same way. After some introspection on the matter, I feel like I may be projecting my disdain for his rapey-scum character Stephen Bonnett from Outlander. He's not doing much to dissuade that feeling, however, in this new character.

THAT'S where I've seen him from! Maybe that's it for me as well, but right now Jack makes my skin crawl.

 

[fireproof78]

I feel the same way. After some introspection on the matter, I feel like I may be projecting my disdain for his rapey-scum character Stephen Bonnett from Outlander. He's not doing much to dissuade that feeling, however, in this new character.

Despite my interest in Outlander I have not seen it. However, I do not like Jack's character thus far. So, if you are projecting well it isn't the only factor.