Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard

[Tuskin38]

To me it feels like someone is using Memory Alpha as a source. Which is fine. Except when MA is wrong.

Well MA gives the earliest appearance of the Reliant as being in 2267, as that's when they claim 'Court Martial' takes place.
Memory-Beta doesn't give an exact commission date either.

I guess it's possible whoever wrote that just took 2267 and subtracted a couple years.

 

[cooleddie74]

Even in non-canon novels John Harriman commanded the Enterprise-B for quite a long time after the apparent loss of Kirk during the ship's launch ceremonies. Captains either through performance or connections or a combination of both can hang around a good while.

 

[Tuskin38]

The Excelsior's info plaque also gives Captain Styles the name 'Lawrence H.', which comes from non-canon works.

Lawrence is from the FASA ST3 RPG sourcebook, and 'H.' is from the novel Excelsior: Forged in Fire

 

[Tomalak]

Actually, based on the DSC ships’ registry numbers, they’re all actually older than the Constitution class. If one takes those numbers to be chronological evidence of starship production.

But the oldest Constitution-class seen has a registry NCC-1017. The Binary Stars ships all date from later with the exception of the T'Plana-Hath (NCC-1004) if we go by registry. There is also the Constitution-class USS Eagle NCC-956 from the Operation Retrieve plans, but I guess that’s uncertain canonically, and Admiral Marcus’ USS Biddeford NCC-0718 from a deleted scene in the Kelvin timeline.

There’s quite compelling evidence that the Constitution is a very old design even if the Enterprise herself might be one of the later ships built.

 

[Tuskin38]

The Constellation entered service the same year as the Enterprise per the plaques at SFA, but I wonder if that was just them taking the launch date of the Enterprise.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

The Plaque for the Reliant says she entered service in 2264, a year before Kirk took command of the Enterprise.

TOS Era Miranda's confirmed

The Reliant's registry number does show up on a chart in TOS Season 1.

It's probably just a coincidence, I doubt whoever numbered the Reliant in WoK even knew about that chart.

Despite it being a little blurry, I always saw "1864" on that chart. You can just make out that there's a gap a 6 would have.

 

[Tomalak]

The Constellation entered service the same year as the Enterprise per the plaques at SFA, but I wonder if that was just them taking the launch date of the Enterprise.

There’s also the whole problem of the supposedly brand new Discovery having a registry NCC-1031! Maybe it’s better to tread lightly with TOS-era registries and not assume they are strictly chronological.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

There’s also the whole problem of the supposedly brand new Discovery having a registry NCC-1031! Maybe it’s better to tread lightly with TOS-era registries and not assume they are strictly chronological.

Old ship, refit to test the spore drive. BAM!

 

[Dukhat]

But the oldest Constitution-class seen has a registry NCC-1017. The Binary Stars ships all date from later with the exception of the T'Plana-Hath (NCC-1004) if we go by registry. There is also the Constitution-class USS Eagle NCC-956 from the Operation Retrieve plans, but I guess that’s uncertain canonically, and Admiral Marcus’ USS Biddeford NCC-0718 from a deleted scene in the Kelvin timeline.

There’s quite compelling evidence that the Constitution is a very old design even if the Enterprise herself might be one of the later ships built.

Yes, you do make several good points. And I’m not sure, but I don’t think the NCC-1700 registry for the USS Constitution was ever canonically given.

 

[cooleddie74]

It wasn't. But it's what I and a lot of other fans seem to go with and practically all the fan art of the Constitution has her with the NCC-1700 registry.

 

[Tuskin38]

There was NCC-1700 on a couple displays, but it had no name attached.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/NCC-1700

 

[Spike730]

There’s also the whole problem of the supposedly brand new Discovery having a registry NCC-1031!

That happens if you let someone pick the registry number who has no clue but likes Halloween. Personally, I think the Discovery looks neither newer nor older than a Constitution. It looks like from a completely different universe.

 

[Tuskin38]

It looks like from a completely different universe.

Other than all the evidence to the contrary.

 

[Tomalak]

Old ship, refit to test the spore drive. BAM!

This actually works fine for me. Or it could be a placeholder registry whilst the ship was developed, kind of like the Excelsior is NCC-2000 but we have the comms chatter for the USS Entente NCC-2120 in TMP.

 

[cooleddie74]

And how the Grissom is NCC-638 but likely not even commissioned until after the Enterprise was launched. We simply don't know if the Oberth-class existed prior to the TOS Movie Era.

 

[Kzinti]

You really hate the TOS Connie.

i really do lol it's just so outdated and doesn't fit in a 20XX production the basic shape is fine it's just pretty much everything else that's not and yes that's a bit irrational but sadly i'm only human lol

Actually, based on the DSC ships’ registry numbers, they’re all actually older than the Constitution class. If one takes those numbers to be chronological evidence of starship production.

nobody should really considering how inconsistent those registry are

 

[Dukhat]

They were extremely consistent during the production of TNG, DS9, and VOY, because there were people working on those shows whose job it was to keep track of those kinds of things. It wasn’t perfect, but it was a damn sight better than what we got before and after. Once other people took over third-generation Trek, there wasn’t anyone who had the same reverence for consistency as the Okudas, Sternbach, Drexler, Probert et. al did. Thankfully some of those people are back now.

 

[Spike730]

Other than all the evidence to the contrary.

Well, to me it looks like a Stardestroyer and a Lucrehulk-class battleship had a baby and someone added nacelles to make it appear more Trek-ish.

 

[Tuskin38]

A thread of Stargazer Bridge and Corridor photos (and blueprints)
https://twitter.com/DaveBlass/status/1501268573880152067

 

[Dukhat]

Dave Blass is the Man.