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Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard

And while its main purpose was to look mean, we may speculate it was for stealth, the way the slit covers on WWII automobile headlights were, or for protection, to limit the angles at which the enemy could hit the device. But the implication with the partial retracting is that the deflector still absolutely needs to be at least partially visible even at sublight. (Or then we are to deduce that the doors on the hastily cobbled-together ship jammed, and Marcus hid his embarrassment well, or his underling never dared report.)

Total hiding behind grillework would then be a technological improvement. Definitely allowed in the more than a century that passes! Or is it a tradeoff, and folks in the 23rd century already knew how to build hidden deflectors for their Mirandas and folks in the 25th still don't know how to make those as powerful as the exposed ones?

I like the grillework look, but I guess I'd have liked it better if there were associated glow deep within or something.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Didn't the Vengeance have (at least partially) retractable deflector covers?
Yes, it was in the design sketches for the ship, but I don't think we ever saw them open and close on screen. There were also the detachable weapons drone ball things that we never saw in action either.
 
Yes, it was in the design sketches for the ship, but I don't think we ever saw them open and close on screen. There were also the detachable weapons drone ball things that we never saw in action either.

I'm almost certain we saw both of those things in the movie

Here's the drone ball at least
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Huh! Definitely a blink-and-you-miss-it moment. I somehow remember an interview of one of the VFX people, maybe it was in the Vengeance Eaglemoss magazine, that the scenes for the ball drones got cut. Maybe this one made it through editing. Usually they would direct particular attention to new tech like this to amp up the menace against the protagonists. Good find!
 
Quite so. And the closing action seems to come to a grinding halt well before the camera cuts off to the next scene, plus we never see the deflector fully covered. So either a design feature or a malfunction...

The spherical killer drone released once the ships reach the Moon is an odd tactical choice: a major piece of ordnance expended by Marcus when he's already winning hands down. Is the sphere reusable somehow? Does it return to the mothership eventually? Did we see it redocked?

Did we ever learn where those big railgun-like devices deployed from? The ventral side, obviously, but which part of the ship? Were they related to the "aft torpedoes" that Marcus wanted used for a mercy shot? (One is reminded of the French WWII submarine Surcouf, which had special pivoting torpedo launchers on her aft deck for just these coup de grace shots against already defeated enemies, in addition to featuring conventional tubes forward for actual fighting; is the pair of guns we see here what you get when you take all the covers off the torpedo launcher machinery?)

Timo Saloniemi
 
Drones are already part of swarm attack planning in the 21st century, so I was happy to see these phaser drones being used as a nod to less "ship-of-the-line" battle tactics we often see in Trek. Yes, the spheres are active, reusable drones, they are an integrated weapon system!

I've contended online that if they had the Vengeance or Vengeance style weapons, mainly these drones, the battle against the Krall swarm may have gone a bit differently. One of my favorite lines in any Trek movie was Spock saying "we are not equipped for this manner of engagement" in Beyond. Yes indeed Spock , you are correct.

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Quite so. And the closing action seems to come to a grinding halt well before the camera cuts off to the next scene, plus we never see the deflector fully covered. So either a design feature or a malfunction...

The spherical killer drone released once the ships reach the Moon is an odd tactical choice: a major piece of ordnance expended by Marcus when he's already winning hands down. Is the sphere reusable somehow? Does it return to the mothership eventually? Did we see it redocked?

Did we ever learn where those big railgun-like devices deployed from? The ventral side, obviously, but which part of the ship? Were they related to the "aft torpedoes" that Marcus wanted used for a mercy shot? (One is reminded of the French WWII submarine Surcouf, which had special pivoting torpedo launchers on her aft deck for just these coup de grace shots against already defeated enemies, in addition to featuring conventional tubes forward for actual fighting; is the pair of guns we see here what you get when you take all the covers off the torpedo launcher machinery?)

Timo Saloniemi
 
If there’s money in the 2030 remastering of DS9, I’d love it if they peppered those shots with more ships. Throw in some Sovereigns and Ambassadors, Cheyennes and Balmungs, Intrepids and Olympics. ...And shield bubbles while we’re at it.

I would really hope they don't do that. Just get the existing stuff to look better; don't add new shit.

Actually, per another thread, it might be cool to replace the Bird of Prey in GEN with a larger ship too. Throw in more shots of the D firing as well — we saw exactly one phaser blast in the whole battle for its life in the movie.

I wouldn't necessarily mind seeing the Enterprise fire off more shots in GEN, but I strongly oppose replacing the Duras bird-of-prey. The entire point of that is that the Durases only have an old BoP because their house has lost its wealth and power, and the ship is explicitly identified in dialogue as old and less powerful. It being able to destroy the Enterprise is a function of them getting lucky and figuring out how to hack Geordi's VISOR to let them see the shield frequency, nothing else.

I still don't think that's going to happen, unless it's just done by some fans on their own and not authorized or sold by CBS. CBS simply doesn't care that much about DS9. They care more about spending their money on new shows.

I mean, the one thing to consider is that this new generation of ST creators seems to be strongly influenced by DS9. It's a longshot, but that might lead them to fund a remastering. I don't think it's likely though.

I think the TNG films are owned by Paramount, not CBS. So Paramount would have to authorize any changes to the films, and that definitely isn't going to happen.

Well, Paramount Pictures and CBS Studios are both subsidiaries of ViacomCBS now, so really the question is whether or not Viacom wants to spend the money.

I'm still of the opinion that the Discovery and the Glenn were much older, mothballed ships they repurposed for the Spore Drive experiments. It makes the registry number issue go away.

Oooo. I really like this idea! It's also consistent with Burnham's dialogue in S1 encouraging Tilly to keep working on the training program so she could get posted to a Constitution-class ship. The line doesn't make much sense if the Crossfield class is the newest class of ship -- but if she's an older ship that's been dragged out of mothballs and refitted with the spore drive, that opens up the door to her still having the newest tech even though the Constitution is still the prestigious posting.

I wonder if the ablative armor technology Voyager brought back from the alternate future has any role in the way these starships are designed and look.

My personal headcannon is that the Inquiry class incorporates advanced technology brought back to the Federation by Voyager, allowing them to be faster and more powerful than older ships and to pack a bigger punch in a smaller, harder-to-hit package.
 
Drones are already part of swarm attack planning in the 21st century, so I was happy to see these phaser drones being used as a nod to less "ship-of-the-line" battle tactics we often see in Trek. Yes, the spheres are active, reusable drones, they are an integrated weapon system!

...But does the sphere get reused? That is, can we see it redocked? (It's the portside one, apparently, and thus the camera-side one, too - but alas, the bow is pointed away from the camera most of the time.)

I've contended online that if they had the Vengeance or Vengeance style weapons, mainly these drones, the battle against the Krall swarm may have gone a bit differently. One of my favorite lines in any Trek movie was Spock saying "we are not equipped for this manner of engagement" in Beyond. Yes indeed Spock , you are correct.

How would drones help in fighting drones? This is not a capacity currently being considered. If anything, an attacking drone swarm would benefit from the defender inserting its own drones and thus making the swarm bigger and more difficult to destroy!

In any case, flying drones are part of the "air force" doctrine where small things can carry weapons of decisive oomph. Star Trek has never been a practitioner of that doctrine: there's no 2,000 lb armor-piercing bomb for sinking battleships, or a ship-killing missile you can hang on a wing pylon. Instead, Star Trek small craft are boats, capable of carrying fewer and smaller bronze phaser cannon than the big ships, and generally also capable of much lower speeds when raising warp-sail (even if perhaps more agile when impulse-rowed). And the drones we see in DSC are smaller boats still, minuscule fire ships that are at best igniting a few planks on the sides of the boats that row out to meet them.

The Khan-influenced lump of a drone here is likely to be another boat, a floating battery with big cannon, and as such a deadly threat to a ship of the line if she's fighting at anchor or without wind. But one sinks those the same way one sinks ships of the line. And a floating battery isn't particularly good at countering a thousand miniature fire ships.

Oooo. I really like this idea! It's also consistent with Burnham's dialogue in S1 encouraging Tilly to keep working on the training program so she could get posted to a Constitution-class ship. The line doesn't make much sense if the Crossfield class is the newest class of ship -- but if she's an older ship that's been dragged out of mothballs and refitted with the spore drive, that opens up the door to her still having the newest tech even though the Constitution is still the prestigious posting.

Or then the best way up is getting aboard those old and crappy Constitutions where competition is not fierce, and shining all the brighter for that.

The original Crossfield could be well in Burnham's distant past, and the refitted and polished flying labs could then still be far from cutting edge, never explicitly exceeding warp five in any of the adventures, say. Any transfer might be a step up. But a step up might not be the best way to climb, and Burnham's advice would be all the more sage for it, worth giving to Tilly who might have other ideas for being clever but not wise.

My personal headcannon is that the Inquiry class incorporates advanced technology brought back to the Federation by Voyager, allowing them to be faster and more powerful than older ships and to pack a bigger punch in a smaller, harder-to-hit package.

The class also follows a trend where the "saucers" blend more and more with the "cigars" and become more elongated. Perhaps Starfleet would be headed this way in any case, always miniaturizing as much as it can? And perhaps the ultimate starship is a mere smooth spindle, with nacelles bolted on. Or with a ring bolted on, as with the Vulcans, who have had a long time to refine their designs. (The advanced Eymorg also had a spindle with a ring of nacelles...)

Timo Saloniemi
 
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I would really hope they don't do that. Just get the existing stuff to look better; don't add new shit.
Nah. I couldn’t stand the battle scenes throughout the war (CG-looking ships without shields too close together, no consistency in movement, damage, or ship variety), and the last epic one to end all ones is a clip show a la “Shades if Gray” in the series finale! They bit off more than they could chew figuring fans would like all the candy on screen but it didn’t work for me. Fewer ships done with greater verisimilitude would have worked great back then, and CG in a remaster could do both fewer or more better if done with love.

I wouldn't necessarily mind seeing the Enterprise fire off more shots in GEN, but I strongly oppose replacing the Duras bird-of-prey. The entire point of that is that the Durases only have an old BoP because their house has lost its wealth and power, and the ship is explicitly identified in dialogue as old and less powerful. It being able to destroy the Enterprise is a function of them getting lucky and figuring out how to hack Geordi's VISOR to let them see the shield frequency, nothing else.
Definitely more shots, but even the Bird of Prey can be of a different older variety than grossed out yet again in the movie...to show the same explosion from the end of the last movie...with less detail this time. Hell its the same model as in ST:III and that class was already no match for a Constitution Class in normal working order. This was a new (to us) class of Bird of Prey, and it could easily be replaced for another model — one that need not be bristling with idiotic Scimitar numbers of weapons to appear dangerous.
 
Wow... Now that I see that BOP in high lighting (I really don’t like the excessively dark CG work in Kurtzman-era Trek), it looks really amazing. Quite a believable in-universe upgrade of a classic design.
 
...The chief difference appearing to be, there was no time to draw any phaser strips on the PIC versions?

Timo Saloniemi
 
...OTOH, I'm not fan of their trademark brown finish, or the prominent RCS clusters that look sort of anachronistic.

It would have been interesting to have at least some sort of pennant art on the PIC ships. Perhaps they have gone stealthy like USAF, with grey-on-grey that we just couldn't see on our low-resolution home theater screens?

Timo Saloniemi
 
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