Which is cool, that is what you get out of watching the show. I get something else. IDIC or something like that.
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Which is cool, that is what you get out of watching the show. I get something else. IDIC or something like that.
There's never been an overall story, it has kinda pinballed all over the place over the last fifty+ years.
And are having it now and will have it yet again, many many times.
And are having it now and will have it yet again, many many times.
Welcome to Hell... er, the TrekBBS.
And are having it now and will have it yet again, many many times.
It's funny how any random thread can more or less turn into a version of this conversation
Then there’s no season three? Is Midnights Edge finally right?Well, they erased in actual canon. It never existed...
I’m sure they definitely spun it that way
Did you see TAS as a different continuity because of the differences with TOS? Most certainly you must have freaked out over TMP! And don't get me started on TWOK-TUC. How does any of that fit into the same continuity?
Yesterday's Enterprise? But... they changed the past!... So... OMG! THE EPISODE ENDED IN A DIFFERENT CONTINUITY!
Why do you care so much about how I see it? You aren’t being forced to use my interpretation, you’re more than welcome to see it any way you like.
How I interpret something shouldn’t affect your enjoyment, even a little bit.
@El Maestro familiarise yourself with the concept 'the death of the author'.
Not even possible, that.
But the people who wrote the stories said it was the case. Your denying it is tantamount to believing in Fake News. You won't accept it because you don't want to. You can believe whatever you want in your head canon, but just keep it there. Your side of the argument doesn't get equal weight to those who go with the writers.
Who said it did? That is a figment of your imagination. Honestly, it just looks like you’re looking for something to be outraged about.
And unless policy has changed here, I am allowed to talk about my feelings of the various shows.
I guess that cuts both ways.
It would be just as easy to state...
“If some fans can’t handle the idea that the curators and creators of these shows have decided that they ARE part of one consistent whole, to the point that they have to continuously shout down anyone who supports this line, then they are desperately trying to hang on to their own pedantic interpretation of a fictional universe and are unwilling to accept creative decisions that have been made in order to update the presentation for the broader viewing audience with contemporary expectations of what a sci-fi show should look like.”
No-one is suggesting that the Thought Police are at work here. Everyone is free to head-canon, retcon, re-canon whatever they want. What can not be denied, however, is the official line that the main series are all part of a single continuity.
It really doesn’t matter what I think or how strongly I may argue for or against it; that IS the official line — and it is what it is.
Inconsistency is pretty much a given in any long-running fictional universe, particularly where various different creative influences come and go. Sometimes it’s possible to create valid in-universe explanations for these glitches — but sometimes it’s just not worth the ridiculous intellectual gymnastics required to achieve this and it’s simpler to ditch the pedantry and accept this is an imperfect medium.
Even in a phenomenally detailed fictional universe with a *single* creative drive, and Tolkien might be a good example here, there are STILL revisions and inconsistencies that arise as the creator progressively develops and adapts characters, stories and situations. It’s certainly easier for them to create their own work-around for any inconsistency, what we might now call an internal retcon of their own universe. Tolkien undoubtedly did this quite frequently over the decades that he worked on Middle-earth and its histories. Sure, it would be possible to head-canon alternatives to his changes but ultimately that world was whatever he wanted it to be.
There are certainly series of novels I enjoy where the authors have done some weird WTF things with subsequent stories, and I would have wished that they hadn’t, but ultimately, even if I opt to kind of ignore or at least not dwell on those bits, if those stories impact what went before and what follows then I just have to roll with it.
It’s my take, and I accept that everyone’s view will be different, but I just kind of see Trek the same way.
"The Naked Now(TNG)" used the Movie Era refit of the Enterprise 1701 to represent the ship at the time of the Psi 2000 incident(2266). Yes, TNG Remastered corrected that graphic but it just goes to show that not every visual representation of a starship in Starfleet databases is historically accurate at all times.
Writers can show their intend on stuff they put on screen. If we can't see it there, then explaining what they meant afterwards doesn't change things. This is pretty standard literary criticism.
It's Roddenberry trying to erase TOS, man!!!!You know I'm right!!!!!/CONSPIRACY RANT
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In all seriousness what Gene thought about continuity and what was canon can go beam itself into a supernova. That man was just a grouchy ass by the end of his role in the franchise.
"TFF isn't canon." Nobody cares what you think, dude. Now let Rick and Harve Bennett do their jobs.
"TFF isn't canon." Nobody cares what you think, dude. Now let Rick and Harve Bennett do their jobs.
I don’t think he cared about canon, beyond it being a tool he could use against Trek not produced by him.
