I have been on DSL since `97
It was "only" about 500kbps, but it didn't tie up a phone-line and it was still about 10x faster than any dial-up. Yahoo.com loaded near instantaneously
Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard
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It was "only" about 500kbps, but it didn't tie up a phone-line and it was still about 10x faster than any dial-up. Yahoo.com loaded near instantaneously
There is nothing wrong about debating aesthetics but you kind of cross the line when you use it as an attack on a show. Just because it looks non-canon doesn't mean the show is bad.
I have been on DSL since `97
It was "only" about 500kbps, but it didn't tie up a phone-line and it was still about 10x faster than any dial-up. Yahoo.com loaded near instantaneously
Yeah...I remember being on dialup and trying to download NanoFX from the bridgecommanderfiles website..it was a MASSIVE 65 mb and I basically had to leave my PC on all night and pray my connection would hold that long.
Good times
Discovery referenced "In a Mirror, Darkly" several times but pretends "Affliction" and "Divergence" (which explains the look of the TOS Klingons) didn't happen. The events of TOS mostly happened (although I ask where the shuttle and drone fleets were during space battles) but it looked different.
Wasn't it only a part of the Klingons that got smoothied though?
I don't think DSC has retconned the Augment Virus at all but it sure hasn't given a damn about referencing it nor showing Augment Klingons. They've been so fanatical about establishing their new visual brand that they haven't cared.
It was entire worlds, which apparently made up 100% of the population of the Klingons we saw in TOS.
Well...it's at least something...some catch they allowed themselves
...The funny thing there is that no two Klingons in TOS were alike. In TOS terms, Kor, Koloth and Kang could have been of different species altogether, with the random no-names either fitting in or between those categories or then not.
Klingons really are defined by them being different. Which is fun: imagine a species that enjoys constantly modifying itself! The Klingons would be great candidates, striving to be better ideal warriors while considering their bodies mere shells for the great warrior spirit, as per a number of well-known episodes... Especially including the ENT and DSC ones.
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Klingons really are defined by them being different. Which is fun: imagine a species that enjoys constantly modifying itself! The Klingons would be great candidates, striving to be better ideal warriors while considering their bodies mere shells for the great warrior spirit, as per a number of well-known episodes... Especially including the ENT and DSC ones.
Timo Saloniemi
I'd always considered the Sovereign class as a replacement for the ageing Excelsior class. It would make more sense than the Sovereign replacing the relatively new Galaxy class which was still being built by the time the Sovereign entered service and I doubt that the Sovereign was ever intended to be the flagship class had the Enterprise D not been destroyed.
They were more or less designed as a more tactically capable "capital ship" than the Galaxy class. Given their size and complexity it's somewhat impractical for them to be wholesale replacements for the Excelsior class.
Basically when the Enterprise-D got it's ass kicked by the Borg in J-25 and then again prior to Wolf 359, starfleet sat down and said "you know..we probably need a capital ship class that has a bit more muscle and less emphasis on being a flying federation outpost with families and kids".
Boom, Sovereign class.
I mean, consider the name itself...Sovereign Class..meaning "a supreme ruler, especially a monarch." or "possessing supreme or ultimate power."
Where as the Galaxy was...meant to primarily be a ship of more or less pure deep space exploration..thus..exploring the "Galaxy"
Where as the Galaxy was...meant to primarily be a ship of more or less pure deep space exploration..thus..exploring the "Galaxy"
I get the need for new ships with no families and kids but considering how long the Galaxy class took to develop I would have thought that the Sovereign would have been in the early stages of development before the Enterprise D would have encountered the Borg. With this in mind that's why I'm thinking it would have been designed as a replacement for the Excelsior. With the Borg threat perhaps the Sovereign was early enough in it's development that the design was revised towards battle than exploration. Although powerful the Sovereign is still quite a bit smaller than the Galaxy and therefore never intended to be the lead capital ship? Also the Galaxy glass was soon refitted to battleship spec as seen in the Dominion war.
I'm not sure, because the foes of the Federation were changing. They weren't dicking around with the Romulans and Klingons anymore, they were trying to hold off the Borg and Jem'Hadar, who were going for the throat in pretty much any and all encounters.
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After the destruction of the D it was decided that families would not be on board starships, especially children as it is just too dangerous in which case the design no longer needed to cater for them hence the more streamlined Sovereign, designed by Montgomery Scott I do believe who knew better than to have ready made hostages on a Starship.
Its also a more powerful ship overall, they carried on building Galaxy class ships but they were not to be sent into such danger again, they will send the Sovereign class instead.
The development of the Sovereign is a bit of an about face from the exploration/diplomacy designed Galaxy class to a more effective warship, Starfleet didnt want to get caught with their trousers down again.
For me the F looked like a return to the exploration and diplomacy aspects as its a very large ship with a volume approaching twice that of the D, but it isnt canon unless they make it so and after the destruction of Romulus and the attack on Mars I doubt we will see anything like it as Starfleet seems to be in a warship type mood.
I think the now non-canon "Ship of the Line" book about the early days of the 1701-E have that design work started on the Sovereign class in 2365, the same year as the J-25 encounter and the design was altered after that, so yeah..according to non-canon sources it was an older design that was upgunned.
Just judging by the interior design and aesthetics it's pretty clear the Sovereigns were meant to be more..battleship than a welcoming, non-intimidating ship.
The Galaxy was the break in the mold because Picard talks about how he was uncomfortable with children on board (in Farpoint), with his previous command being the Stargazer, a Constellation class from the mold of the Constitution Refit, original Excelsior runs and the Ambassador class.
IIRC the Odyssey offloaded all her non-crew at DS9 prior to going into the wormhole and subsequently being destroyed.
The shift towards more tactical ships had started earlier, I think the Akira class were already supposed to have been in service in 2368, right around or after Wolf 359
I imagine Scott was still in the transporter buffer when the Sovereign was on the drawing board and construction. It was only two to three years between him being rescued and the Enterprise-E launch in First Contact.
