Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by pst, Jan 9, 2020.
I would imagine they had a couple of projects in development as a show of force to the Klingons.
Veering into speculation and imagination aka headcanon..
Enterprise, being a rebuild into the Constitution II type, had some limitations that new builds did not. Perhaps her spaceframe wasn't as optimized, or her power generation systems were not as capable, less optimally arranged internal spaces or such.
Perhaps the earlier Constitutions that were rebuilt into "Refits" were, by 2285, long in the tooth and less capable than new builds that came along, IE the Yorktown theory.
I would imagine the Shangri-La-class fills that Constitution-Excelsior gap now as a sort of turbo-charged beefed-up Constitution-class, possibly with some elements of Excelsior engine/power tech going by the shape of that secondary hull and oversized impulse engines... and it's canon because we saw a model of one in the Titan-A's observation lounge. Sigh.
Definitely a good contemporary ship to the Constitution and Miranda.
Um if you add the 1701 (TOS), 1701 & 1701-A (TMP), 1701-B, 1701-C, actually then no the 1701-G isn't really an outlier.
(Although I too didn't care for them re-naming the Titan-A to the Enterprise-G myself.)
To be fair. The 1701-A was retired/decommissioned about 5 years (at best) after she was first commissioned - so I don't know if 'pinnacle of engineering' holds for that ship either. She too was a refit of an older ship renamed at the last minute.
We know it existed but not when.
Now the Picard logs that CBS put out had the Titan entering service in 2289 I think..but groupbrain here on this forum has declared those to not be binding, so all we know is it existed
TUC happened in 2293, TVH was in 2286, so its a minimum of 6 years if you assume the E-A was a 100% brand new ship which TBH it probably was not given its initial bridge design
The 1701-A didn't even have its familiar bridge module until 2287 and just before the ship had to leave Spacedock to go on the Nimbus III rescue mission. So at most some of those systems lasted just six years before she was mothballed.
Might I present another possible option for a ship to fill the Constitution/Excelsior void.....
I'd like to think that what we're looking at is a Crossfield class Starship. One that wasn't modified for the Spore Drive experiments. In my own personal head-canon, we already know what this looked like.....
Granted, this would be as it looked in, we'll say 2255. Atleast 10 years newer then the Constitution class. Perhaps the class was more successful then we think and they produced more then the 3 we know about. Perhaps, much like the Connie, they too were refit at some point and that is what we're seeing in Spacedock.
I'd like to think that by that point, it resembled somewhat of a mix between The Discovery and the "Planet of the Titans" Enterprise concept we know it's based on.
Maybe Connies were still front line ship, but not the Enterprise. Whether for political reasons, I cannot say.
Not a rustbucket, just not as tactically capable as the Shrike. Ship was only about five years old.
And I kine of like the idea of the USS Enterprise being a bit of an underdog for once.
I don't think renaming the Titan-A to the Enterprise-G "erases" the name and registry, especially if they're commissioning a new Luna-class ship as the Titan-B.
My headcanon is that the Crossfield class is actually older than the Constitution class, with the Glenn and the Discovery being refit for the spore drive as you suggest. Them being older would account for Discovery's relatively low registry number and for why Michael was suggesting the Constitution class to Tilly as a better assignment.
I don't put much stock in registry numbers being an absolute "tell" of a ships age. I mean, Discovery got its registry because someone liked Halloween.
But you're right about that convo. I had forgotten about that. Clearly, at least at that point, The Constitution was the "bee's knees" of Starship posting. I mean, The Enterprise was the flagship.
Still, with their size and clearly adaptable structure, I can't help but wonder if the Crossfield class managed to really make a name for themselves, beyond the "loss" of Discovery and Glenn.
I speculate that they may have been produced around the same time the Einstein-class ships like the USS Kelvin were, circa the 2210s or 2220s. I think they reflect some similar design philosophies; maybe Starfleet was just building them bigger but slower in those days.
I think that E-F is more advanced than E-G.
Why? My almost 2 year old cell phone is more powerful then a 20 year old laptop, despite being significantly smaller.
@HotRod thank you for rediscovering that imagery from the original DSC teaser! Yes, that is what I would also say non-spore drive-equipped Crossfield-class starships originally looked like!
I don't put stock in registry numbers being grouped for a class after the early 1700's were, and there might be some wiggle room for a registry being a little older than it seems due to R&D issues and reg#'s being assigned beforehand like the USN does.
But earlier numbers are more or less earlier ships. I've seen nothing to indicate any different.
Np. Here's a few more, just for funzies.
I treat Registry #'s like License Plate #'s.
It's pretty much arbitrary.
That's pretty much how I feel about the Shepard, Walker, and Magee class ships. They all seem to have a few design traits that make me think of the Kelvin. Mostly the bridges on the Shepard and Magee, and the weapon ports on the Walker.
I could easily see them as being from a similar construction period as the Kelvin, tho perhaps a little newer with updated nacelles and such.
**In getting those images, I never realized just how much the Engle class looks like a contemporary to the NX Class. I could absolutely buy that the Engle is a 1st generation Federation Starship with updated nacelles.
Oh definitely. I'm just saying it's not a "set in stone" sorta thing. There's definitely exceptions.
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