Decker makes it pretty clear it is pretty much an entirely new ship. Decker essentially is telling the audience this isn’t the TOS Enterprise.
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Decker makes it pretty clear it is pretty much an entirely new ship. Decker essentially is telling the audience this isn’t the TOS Enterprise.
I don't believe him. It makes little sense in the context of the story other than to make Kirk look like an incompetent loon. It's a strange choice that was only done to redesign the TOS enterprise.
Why is refitting the ship a strange choice? It had been mostly unchanged since 2245.
Refitting the ship makes sense if we were given a reason for it to be refit. In the film it makes little sense. I mean, don't get me wrong-it's pretty to look at. But, going from TOS to TMP is odd, to say the least. I wouldn't have as much enjoyment for it if it were not for "Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise."
As in all things, mileage will vary.
I never had an issue about the TMP refit because it was actually cemented in canon that the Enterprise was upgraded from her TOS design and configuration to the new look we saw going forward. It was clear she was given a massive technology upgrade, the jump from the late '60s small screen to the more detail-oriented big screen of 1979 being the excuse to do so. Did every change need to be made or even make sense? No.
But at least both versions of the Enterprise 1701 were canon.
But at least both versions of the Enterprise 1701 were canon.
It was twenty five years old when it came home in 2270. Not sure that any other reason was needed?
On screen there was no proof of that. Again, watching it makes little sense going from TOS to TMP.
It's just a strange feeling to me, is all.
Pike has it for either 11 or 13 years, Kirk had it for at least five, possibly six. We have Robert April who was also a commander for several years. What more proof do we need?
The Constitution class was getting long in the tooth and the Enterprise was the test bed for new tech to be incorporated later into other ships.
On screen proof. Because we don't have a sense of time in TOS or how old the ship is by TMP. We really don't get that context until TSFS, and even then that makes little sense.
McCoy explained it quite well when he said that engineers like to change things.
Actually we do, by gauging the command tenures of the various captains.
True.
I was not aware of how long April's tenure was. Regardless, it is still a strange feeling going from one to the other. It makes little sense based upon context clues.
Memory Alpha has it as five years, from 2245-2250.
I honestly don't understand, to be perfectly honest. She was a ship that was brought home and upgraded. What other clues did we need?
A reason.
I don't think that date comes from the Franz Joseph stuff (though I could be wrong), I think it comes from the Okuda's Star Trek Chronology.
She was an older ship being updated... still not seeing the issue. I can look at the show and understand exactly why Starfleet would do a refit. She's 25 years old.
Ah you're right, the Tech Manual only has stardates.
I don't think it was clear enough.
Nah, he's telling Kirk he doesn't know the ship and setting up later scenes where Kirk proves Decker was right. It's about Kirk's arc in the film not a "message" to the audience.
I dunno almost every room/set we see in the Cage looks different from TOS, The exterior has many differences as well.
