Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard

[Ar-Pharazon]

Maybe not "selling" as much as redistribution of assets.

I'd wonder if there is any kind of condition where SF could take ships back in time of war.

 

[Dukhat]

Starfleet sell off unwanted old vessels? (Yes I know no money)

Both the S.S. Vico (Oberth class) and the (U.)S.S. Raven might have been former Starfleet vessels given to private hands. So it’s not uncommon. It’s just that this particular design, being a old Eaves design for a previous Star Trek online game, doesn’t look in any way like a ship from the TNG or pre-TNG period. It looks like a post-Nemesis design. It looks far too new to have been an old ship sold off to private hands.

 

[valkyrie013]

Both the S.S. Vico (Oberth class) and the (U.)S.S. Raven might have been former Starfleet vessels given to private hands. So it’s not uncommon. It’s just that this particular design, being a old Eaves design for a previous Star Trek online game, doesn’t look in any way like a ship from the TNG or pre-TNG period. It looks like a post-Nemesis design. It looks far too new to have been an old ship sold off to private hands.

As I was hypothesizing..
Lets make an example:
Say the Nova class, in the beginning there was a request from whatever section for a new science ship, and the request has items that must be met/included. Say the power core has to produce 5 MW, cruse at warp 9.2 for 72 hours, etc.
They make the proto type, seems to meet the requirements, but after say 50 ships are produced, the production model ends up under powered, or its top cruise speed is lower than expected, or its sensors are sub standard for whatever reason. Lets say that this ship is Beverly's ship. Its still a ship, does ship things, but is sub standard to what Starfleet requires. So another request goes out, the Nova class is selected, and built, and does everything required.
This other ship class is now not needed, so starfleet "Sells" them to planetary fleets, private science sections like say the Planetary Society etc. and said ship gets into the hands of Beverly.

 

[Dukhat]

I just find it annoying when an Eaves design is recycled for a ship from a time period that the design was clearly not meant to represent.

 

[Tuskin38]

Eleos is Greek for 'Mercy'.

 

[Spike730]

So we have an old TNG ship that looks like a brand new ship and a brand new ship that looks like an old TMP ship. Let‘s hope the story makes more sense than the ship design.

 

[fireproof78]

And probably an Excelsior at some point for good measure.

 

[Vale]

So we have an old TNG ship that looks like a brand new ship and a brand new ship that looks like an old TMP ship. Let‘s hope the story makes more sense than the ship design.

That's hardly an issue unique to the current era though. Anyone remember the furore about the NX-01 looking like a retro Akira-class?

 

[Dukhat]

That's hardly an issue unique to the current era though. Anyone remember the furore about the NX-01 looking like a retro Akira-class?

There’s a bit of a difference there. The producers wanted to use the actual Akira class as the NX-01. Doug Drexler was able to convince them to allow him to make changes to the design to make it more ‘retro’ looking. But that’s why it has the same basic shape.

 

[AdmiralBuck]

Huh. I was afraid to look at this thread. Coulda been worse I guess.

 

[fireproof78]

Huh. I was afraid to look at this thread. Coulda been worse I guess.

We've had decades of worse. I'll take this supposed badness over a lot of other hero ships.

 

[Tuskin38]

I just find it annoying when an Eaves design is recycled for a ship from a time period that the design was clearly not meant to represent.

Other than the nacelles, I think Bev's ship looks fine as a possible TNG era ship.

But since when have nacelles been consistent? All the First Contact fed ships had different nacelles from each other. Voyager had completely different looking nacelles from any other Federation ship in the era.

Also what does Terry mean by TNG era? That term could easily include the TNG movies.

 

[Dukhat]

Other than the nacelles, I think Bev's ship looks fine as a possible TNG era ship.

But since when have nacelles been consistent? All the First Contact fed ships had different nacelles from each other. Voyager had completely different looking nacelles from any other Federation ship in the era.

Also what does Terry mean by TNG era? That term could easily include the TNG movies.

I would think a TNG movie era ship would be too new to be given/sold/etc. to a civilian. I'm just going by what Terry said (“old TNG medical vessel”)

 

[Spike730]

Well, he claimed at one point that the new Stargazer is a refit of the old one. Coupled with his wish to simply slap Sovereign nacelles on the Shangri-La makes me think that he has a rather obscure stance regarding Trek ships.

 

[Tuskin38]

Coupled with his wish to simply slap Sovereign nacelles on the Shangri-La

Uh they look nothing like Sovereign nacelles. They're the Sagan Class nacelles.

 

[Dukhat]

Well, he claimed at one point that the new Stargazer is a refit of the old one. Coupled with his wish to simply slap Sovereign nacelles on the Shangri-La makes me think that he has a rather obscure stance regarding Trek ships.

Uh they look nothing like Sovereign nacelles. They're the Sagan Class nacelles.

The point still stands.

 

[Dukhat]

I also completely forgot until Dave Blass mentioned it in a recent interview, there is an unused Rick Sternbach design coming to Season 3. I wonder which one, he has done a lot.

Maybe it’s the unused Voyager concept model:

https://www.herocollector.com/en-us/Article/star-trek-the-original-voyager

 

[valkyrie013]

Rather this one..
https://forgottentrek.com/voyager/designing-the-starship-voyager/images/Voyager-concept-art-5.png

 

[fireproof78]

Maybe it’s the unused Voyager concept model:

https://www.herocollector.com/en-us/Article/star-trek-the-original-voyager

That one would have helped the Akira make sense.

 

[Dukhat]

I'm a bit baffled by the choice to call it Titan.

I know here on the forum a lot of people know about the novelverse and the TItan design by Sean. However, most of the Star Trek fans I know in real life, never heard of it. They follow the shows and movies and love them, but the only thing they about the Titan are the two lines mentioning it in Nemesis.

For the biggest majority of Star Trek fans, there isn't a real nostalgia thing with the Titan, I think.

I agree 100%. If they are setting this up to be a new 7of9 show after PIC ends (and I still have my doubts that this is the case), why didn’t they just make the hero ship the Enterprise-F? The only people who care about the Titan lineage are people who have a familiarity with the novels (and people who post here), and they probably make up about 5% of the total Star Trek viewing audience. Why such reverence for the name of a ship whose exploits the average viewer knows nothing about, other than Riker getting command after Nemesis ended (and let’s face it - I highly doubt LDS has many of the same viewers as people watching the live-action shows, so it’s not like Riker’s time on the previous Titan is a thing.)

When Riker says “Hello, beautiful” in that trailer, did people think he was talking about a new or old Enterprise? I certainly did. And maybe he even was, based on the quick cutaway. But the trailer was edited to make the context seem like he was referring to the new Titan. And maybe he still was. The whole thing is very confusing.

Also…Titan-A? It’s now at least the fourth ship to bear the name (the Loknar class, the Shangri-La class, the Luna class, and the Constitution III class.) So what was the point of giving it a letter suffix? And why did it get a suffix, but the new Stargazer didn’t?