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Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard

The amount of work that vfx studios do in such a short time is staggering. I have some friends in the industry and I'm always worried about how the unhinged demands of their profession keep them away from their families. Many studios are set up in such a way that makes it impossible for staff to unionize and fight for better working conditions.

With that in mind, I don't give a rats ass if I see a Disco ship for 8 seconds. I know nothing of the time pressures involved in this particular shot, but I wouldn't be surprised if, for example, it was done as fast as possible, late at night, because vfx for another show needed to be started the next day.

This is nothing new either: During the production of Enterprise season 3, the staff had a matter of days to come up with a design and cg model an Enterprise J. Now, I know more about scifi starships than I care to admit, and am also decent cg modeller, but if someone came up to me and said 'Build an Enterprise in two days.', I would struggle. That episode also reused a 24th century Nova class and the fake Starfleet ship Dauntless in a scene depicting the 26th century. Were the vfx guys lazy? No. They were rushed off their feet.
It is certainly possible, even highly likely that the effects team was not given enough time or resources to do anything else, but someone is charge of assigning the time and resources so then it is the fault of that person.
 
The franchise did not get a "bad name 20 years ago" due to things like re-using ship models, or other "cheapo production stuff." What a ridiculous statement to make.
Indeed. Star Trek has historically done pretty well in this regard, especially considering the limitations of pre-CGI era. It is noteworthy how much complaints certain missteps garner, like using the 23rd century Klingon battlecruiser on Enterprise. It only speaks for generally high standard of the productions design that such mistakes really stand out and are noteworthy.
 
Indeed. Star Trek has historically done pretty well in this regard, especially considering the limitations of pre-CGI era. It is noteworthy how much complaints certain missteps garner, like using the 23rd century Klingon battlecruiser on Enterprise. It only speaks for generally high standard of the productions design that such mistakes really stand out and are noteworthy.

If anything, 20 years ago, Trek had never looked better on film or TV. At that point, of course. Discovery and Picard are taking that to another level, now.
 
Oh, wait. Remember when we used to bitch about how Disco's ship designs belonged in the 24th century? Now we see them in the 24th century and everyone's all "get those 23rd century ships out of here!"

That is because the production staff has spent the last 2+ years pushing the idea that "this is the 23rd century now". So don't be surprised when some folks push back when they make this kind of creative decision on a show that is supposed to be taking place 150+ years later, an era that has a recognized design language all its own.
 
When fans have to create excuses for production staff, production staff is doing it wrong.

It is more like "fans have nothing more important to do", because this is trivial in the grand scheme of things. Doing it "wrong" is in the eye of the beholder. Just like my wife is a huge David Bowie fan, and did not like the "Children of Mars" version of his song. I couldn't really tell the difference.
 
It is more like "fans have nothing more important to do", because this is trivial in the grand scheme of things. Doing it "wrong" is in the eye of the beholder. Just like my wife is a huge David Bowie fan, and did not like the "Children of Mars" version of his song. I couldn't really tell the difference.
Your wife is right and she has great taste. Mediocre covers of amazing songs are so disappointing. They really should have used the original. But it would have probably costed quite a bit more.
 
That is because the production staff has spent the last 2+ years pushing the idea that "this is the 23rd century now". So don't be surprised when some folks push back when they make this kind of creative decision on a show that is supposed to be taking place 150+ years later, an era that has a recognized design language all its own.
I think fans are going to attack the production team no matter what. Yeah, they haven't made the best name for themselves but it's gone from skepticism to almost pure hatred, and I don't use that word lightly.
 
I think fans are going to attack the production team no matter what. Yeah, they haven't made the best name for themselves but it's gone from skepticism to almost pure hatred, and I don't use that word lightly.
Yes you do. Like super lightly. You always label any sort of criticism, no matter how valid or reasoned as hatred.
 
No, I don't. It's not criticism that I find troublesome-it's the constant criticism with no love behind it.

Although I wouldn’t use the word ‘love,’ I do like DSC and I’m really looking forward to Picard. But I also have criticisms of the choices the productions make. That is not hatred, that is just criticism. Will the production using DSC ships in Picard make me not watch the show? No. But if I feel that something should be criticized, I will speak my mind. That’s what this BBS is for, after all.
 
Although I wouldn’t use the word ‘love,’ I do like DSC and I’m really looking forward to Picard. But I also have criticisms of the choices the productions make. That is not hatred, that is just criticism. Will the production using DSC ships in Picard make me not watch the show? No. But if I feel that something should be criticized, I will speak my mind. That’s what this BBS is for, after all.
Yes, pretty much this.
 
I would love to see the inside of an a akira, though due to the war I don't think there should be anything older than a galaxy/ nebula class knocking around.
After the war I'm hoping star fleet learnt its lesson, and are not relying on the Oberth class to defend earth.:rommie:
 
Although I wouldn’t use the word ‘love,’ I do like DSC and I’m really looking forward to Picard. But I also have criticisms of the choices the productions make. That is not hatred, that is just criticism. Will the production using DSC ships in Picard make me not watch the show? No. But if I feel that something should be criticized, I will speak my mind. That’s what this BBS is for, after all.
Yes, and there are criticisms that are balanced with actual enjoyment. And those are fair, because, even if there isn't love for the production itself, there is apparent love for Trek.

To me, coming to the conclusion of apathy on the part of the production crew is not loving. But, that's me.

Regardless, I don't mind criticism. What I mind is unloving criticism, unbalanced without finding anything good to enjoy. And, sadly, I get it that many do not fully enjoy DSC. But, I would hope there would be something good to say.
 
I think fans are going to attack the production team no matter what. Yeah, they haven't made the best name for themselves but it's gone from skepticism to almost pure hatred, and I don't use that word lightly.

As always, I can only speak about how I see things. The large reuse of Discovery assets stood out to me and kinda killed the immersion. I don’t have an issue with other folks seeing it differently. It is one of those “risk factors” when working on or being a fan of a long running property.
 
As always, I can only speak about how I see things. The large reuse of Discovery assets stood out to me and kinda killed the immersion. I don’t have an issue with other folks seeing it differently. It is one of those “risk factors” when working on or being a fan of a long running property.
That's completely fair. If it breaks the immersion then its an obvious distraction. It bothered me a little less, but other things about this short did bother me.

But, there's a leap, to my mind, from "That broke the story immersion" to "the production team doesn't care."
 
But, there's a leap, to my mind, from "That broke the story immersion" to "the production team doesn't care."

I’m sure they worked within the budget they had. Though it sucks they forgot about the CGI assets they did have for the Galaxy class.
 
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