Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard

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The trailer showed a pair of Nova- and Steamrunner-class starships. Did anyone spot them in the ep?

They're in the preview for next week

 

[Markonian]

Okay, seen the first few minutes.
We get the CSS Sirena(?) and a task force of Kaplan F17s, part of Star Corps. Grey hull material and yellow engine lights.

They have the outriggers that in the prime timeline Rios added to La Sirena (PIC novel “Rogue Elements”).

Vulcans use the T’Pau-class cruisers from DSC. They fit nicely.

 

[Spike730]

I think it became pretty evident in "Enterprise" that Starfleet designs are heavily Earth influenced.

 

[Dukhat]

I think it became pretty evident in "Enterprise" that Starfleet designs are heavily Earth influenced.

I agree, but I wouldn’t think that the Confederation would be using ships that look visually identical to the Steamrunner, Nova and Kaplan classes. Yes, I’m thinking about this too hard, I know.

 

[Dukhat]

The Hathaway's NCC No of 2593 is significantly lower than the Stargazers (2893) There's no reason to assume the whole class were built in one go and perhaps numbers were set aside for them. Although I'd agree that a 41 year construction period seems a long time for a design we rarely see. The Miranda or Excelsior class I can believe. (in the real world the Burke class destroyer has been commissioning for 31 years and it's likely they will still be commissioning new ones for at least 10 more years.)

While I don’t agree that 2593 is ‘significantly lower’ than 2893 in terms of starship registry, the real problem is that 2893 is significantly lower than a registry should be for a ship constructed in the year 2326. The USS Ajax NCC-11574 was already operating just one year later (and who knows when that ship was built?)

To be honest NCC numbers have been a mess since the Constellation appeared in TOS and I can't see them being resolved any time soon. Perhaps they're not meant to make sense. If they are deliberately random or semi-random it makes it harder for potential adversaries to work out the size of your forces. Doesn't seem very "Starfleet" though.

As I mentioned before, registries make sense about 80% of the time, and that’s because we had a combined 30-some years’ worth of Berman Trek where people kept these kinds of things relatively consistent. So I wouldn’t agree that registries are a mess, rather that it’s been mostly consistent with several patches of inconsistency.

 

[Tomalak]

I guess it's possible the Stargazer was built earlier, mothballed (due to the Khitomer Accords?), and then finally reactivated and commissioned in 2326.

If you assume a registration number is allocated at the start of construction or even development it would make sense. I kind of like the idea that she was somewhat obsolete right out the gate, which backs up Picard's description of her in 'The Battle'.

 

[fireproof78]

Kaplan F17s, part of Star Corps

What are these? People say this like it makes sense.

 

[137th Gebirg]

La Sirena is a member of the Kaplan F17 class Speed Freighters. Not sure what Star Corps is though.

 

[fireproof78]

La Sirena is a member of the Kaplan F17 class Speed Freighters.

Thank you.

Here I was hoping for something cool.

 

[Tomalak]

La Sirena is a member of the Kaplan F17 class Speed Freighters. Not sure what Star Corps is though.

Evil Starfleet.

 

[Tuskin38]

Thank you.

Here I was hoping for something cool.

The class name was said out loud in Season 1, when they enter orbit of Free Cloud.

They have the outriggers that in the prime timeline Rios added to La Sirena (PIC novel “Rogue Elements”).

Well, novels aren't canon so they don't need to follow that.

 

[fireproof78]

The class name was said out loud in Season 1, when they enter orbit of Free Cloud.

I just missed it and haven't really followed up with that ship class.

 

[Stuart Wilson]

I guess it's possible the Stargazer was built earlier, mothballed (due to the Khitomer Accords?), and then finally reactivated and commissioned in 2326.

If you assume a registration number is allocated at the start of construction or even development it would make sense. I kind of like the idea that she was somewhat obsolete right out the gate, which backs up Picard's description of her in 'The Battle'.

I like this Idea. Reminds me of HMS Trincomalee which is a museum ship just down the road from me. She was completed in 1819 but, the Napoleonic wars being over by then, was immediately placed in reserve. and didn't enter service until 1847.

 

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[Reanok]

Thanks for posting this video about the ship it was really interesting.

 

[Lakenheath 72]

It's not Star Corps. It's Confederation Corps.

Dave Blass has given us the name and registry of the Kaplan F17 Patrol Frigates seen in the episode. There is some uncertainty about one of the names. He mentions a CSS Charybdis in his tweet, but it is not listed.

Blass later added that the CSS Charybdis had been left off the list, but it appears in the episode. It's registry is NCC-93137.

 

[starfleettanner]

Wonder if at some point we'll see the Warship Voyager from Living WItness?

 

[F. King Daniel]

Wait does La Sirena have an NCC number in the regular timeline? And I guess a lot of it is making use of existing characters and sets but what sense does it make to have a freighter on the frontline of a war with Vulcan?

 

[Markonian]

Wait does La Sirena have an NCC number in the regular timeline? And I guess a lot of it is making use of existing characters and sets but what sense does it make to have a freighter on the frontline of a war with Vulcan?

Presumably, La Sirena prima has a civilian registry number (like any car got a number plate or any plane got a tail number).
Looking at non-canon, licensed work, the Lukari ship LSS Reskava in STO has a Starfleet counterpart in the mirror universe,the ISS Reskava NCC-93200. So, a "regular" vessel being militarized in another universe has a precedent.

I am gratified that we learn the registry numbers and names of the ships for each episode. Compared with DSC s3, for instance, we still don't know the USS Dresselhaus' class. I wonder this week's Corps Steamrunner- and Nova-class ships will be the CSS Appalachia, CSS Equinox and CSS Rhode Island?

Heading back to the 2380s-2400s, this is the list of named ships with registry numbers from PIC so far:
Starfleet ships of Star Trek: Picard (2380s and beyond)

1. USS Eureka (NCC-42023, Excelsior II class), active (2401)
2. USS Excelsior (NCC-42037, Excelsior II class), active (2401)
3. USS Helios (NCC-63284, Akira class), active (2401)
4. USS Rabin (NCC-63284, Akira class), active (2401)
5. USS Thunderchild (NCC-63549, Akira class), active (2401)
6. USS Avalon (NCC-63887, Akira class), active (2401)

7. USS Okuda (NCC-74107, Sovereign class), active (2401)
8. USS Pachacuti (NCC-74181, Sovereign class), active (2401)
9. USS Gilgamesh (NCC-74669, Sovereign class), active (2401)
10. USS Valkyrie (NCC-74877, Sovereign class), active (2401)
11. USS Hutchinson (NCC-74957, Sovereign class), active (2401)
12. USS Hrothgar (NCC-74975, Sovereign class), active (2401)
13. USS Vanguard (NCC-75148, Ross class), active (2401)
14. USS Venture (NCC-75306, Sovereign class), active (2401)
15. USS Arsinoe (NCC-75307, Sovereign class), active (2401)
16. USS Yi Sun-sin (NCC-76545, Ross class), active (2401)

17. USS Luna (NCC-80101, Luna class), active (2401)
18. USS Oberon (NCC-80103, Luna class), active (2401)
19. USS Europa (NCC-80104, Luna class), active (2401)
20. USS Stargazer (NCC-82893, Stargazer class), destroyed (2401)
21. USS Inquiry (NCC-86500, Inquiry class), active (2411)
22. USS Nathan Hale (NCC-86501, Inquiry class), active (2401)
23. USS Rustazh (NCC-86503, Inquiry class), active (2401)
24. USS Zheng He (NCC-86505, Inquiry class), active (2401)
25. USS Magellan (NCC-86509, Inquiry class), active (2401)
26. USS Shackleton (NCC-86517, Inquiry class), active (2401)
27. USS Toussaint (NCC-87111, Inquiry class), active (2399)
28. USS Varian Fry (NCC-87883, Inquiry class), active (2399)

29. USS Reliant (NCC-90200, Reliant class), active (2401)
30. USS Clark (NCC-90206, Reliant class), active (2401)
31. USS Uhura (NCC-90214, Reliant class), active (2401)
32. USS Sutherland (NCC-91800, Sutherland class), active (2401)
33. USS Huygens (NCC-91814, Sutherland class), active (2401)
34. USS Almagest (NCC-91870, Sutherland class), active (2401)
35. USS Ibn al-Haytham (NCC-91965, Sutherland class), active (2401)
36. USS Maui (NCC-96761, Inquiry class), active (2399)
37. USS Gagarin (NCC-97930, Gagarin class), active (2401)

Confederation Corps ships
1. CSS World Razer (NCC-1701-D, Galaxy-class analog), active (24th century)
2. CSS Cetus (NCC-93130, Kaplan F17 patrol frigate), active (2401)
3. CSS La Sirena (NCC-93131, Kaplan F17 patrol frigate), active (2401)
4. CSS Hydra (NCC-93135, Kaplan F17 patrol frigate), active (2401)
5. CSS Charybdis (NCC-93137, Kaplan F17 patrol frigate), active (2401)
6. CSS Makara (NCC-93142, Kaplan F17 patrol frigate, active (2401)
7. CSS Selkie (NCC-93147, Kaplan F17 patrol frigate), active (2401)

Starfleet redux: including ships from Star Trek: Lower Decks and The Prodigy (Spoilers!)

Spoiler: Prodigy/Lower Decks spoilers

1. USS Solvang (NCC-12101, California class), destroyed (2380)
2. USS Rubidoux (NCC-12109, California class), destroyed (2380)
3. USS Eureka (NCC-42023, Excelsior II class), active (2401)
4. USS Excelsior (NCC-42037, Excelsior II class), active (2401)
5. USS Helios (NCC-63284, Akira class), active (2401)
6. USS Rabin (NCC-63284, Akira class), active (2401)
7. USS Thunderchild (NCC-63549, Akira class), active (2401)
8. USS Avalon (NCC-63887, Akira class), active (2401)

9. USS Okuda (NCC-74107, Sovereign class), active (2401)
10. USS Pachacuti (NCC-74181, Sovereign class), active (2401)
11. USS Voyager (NCC-74656, Intrepid class), decommissioned/museum (2384)
12. USS Gilgamesh (NCC-74669, Sovereign class), active (2401)
13. USS Valkyrie (NCC-74877, Sovereign class), active (2401)
14. USS Hutchinson (NCC-74957, Sovereign class), active (2401)
15. USS Hrothgar (NCC-74975, Sovereign class), active (2401)
16. USS Vanguard (NCC-75148, Ross class), active (2401)
17. USS Venture (NCC-75306, Sovereign class), active (2401)
18. USS Arsinoe (NCC-75307, Sovereign class), active (2401)
19. USS Cerritos (NCC-75567, California class), active (2381)
20. USS Alhambra (NCC-77567, California class), active (2380)
21. USS Yi Sun-sin (NCC-76545, Ross class), active (2401)
22. USS Protostar (NX-76884, Protostar class), active (2384)

23. USS Luna (NCC-80101, Luna class), active (2401)
24. USS Titan (NCC-80102, Luna class) active (2381)
25. USS Oberon (NCC-80103, Luna class), active (2401)
26. USS Europa (NCC-80104, Luna class), active (2401)
27. USS Archimedes (NCC-83002, Obena class), active (2381)
28. USS Merced (NCC-87075, California class), destroyed (2380)
29. USS Dauntless (NCC-80816, Dauntless class), active (2384)
30. USS Stargazer (NCC-82893, Stargazer class), destroyed (2401)
31. USS Inquiry (NCC-86500, Inquiry class), active (2411)
32. USS Nathan Hale (NCC-86501, Inquiry class), active (2401)
33. USS Rustazh (NCC-86503, Inquiry class), active (2401)
34. USS Zheng He (NCC-86505, Inquiry class), active (2401)
35. USS Magellan (NCC-86509, Inquiry class), active (2401)
36. USS Shackleton (NCC-86517, Inquiry class), active (2401)
37. USS Toussaint (NCC-87111, Inquiry class), active (2399)
38. USS Varian Fry (NCC-87883, Inquiry class), active (2399)

39. USS Reliant (NCC-90200, Reliant class), active (2401)
40. USS Clark (NCC-90206, Reliant class), active (2401)
41. USS Uhura (NCC-90214, Reliant class), active (2401)
42. USS Sutherland (NCC-91800, Sutherland class), active (2401)
43. USS Huygens (NCC-91814, Sutherland class), active (2401)
44. USS Almagest (NCC-91870, Sutherland class), active (2401)
45. USS Ibn al-Haytham (NCC-91965, Sutherland class), active (2401)
46. USS Maui (NCC-96761, Inquiry class), active (2399)
47. USS Gagarin (NCC-97930, Gagarin class), active (2401)

 

[Spike730]

what sense does it make to have a freighter on the frontline of a war with Vulcan?

Why is there still a war with Vulcan? Are we to believe the Confederation managed to eradicate the Borg but still has trouble to placate the Vulcans?