Everyone does have a FB account.
Starship design history in light of Discovery
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Not everyone. I do not, nor will I ever.
Nope, not everyone. For the best, I think.
Could always set up a fake account for all the Trekkie goodness.
No such thing. They find you. I tried once with a Tor browser and, like Google, they bombarded me with endless CAPTCHA tests because they knew I was bouncing my signal all over the world. They find anonymity distasteful. I find their need to know everything about me equally distasteful. We've agreed to not speak to each other ever again, citing irreconcilable differences. 
In fairness, I did one of those "request everything FB has on you" things a few months ago and it came back with everything in the past 5 years. Every deleted message, every removed friend. Every like on a post whether it was still there or not. Every message (and picture
) sent or received. They really do know everything.
) sent or received. They really do know everything.
I've never trusted FB, and I never will. I can never forgive them the death of my boy.
But boy if I don't look stupid now for being a WhatsApp user. All the unnerving secrets-sharing hubbub, and then all commentary dismisses this as "but every WA user is a FB customer anyway"...
Fortunately I can check out Drexler's images using the tried and true over-the-shoulder technique. The TMP goodies are the best!
Timo Saloniemi
But boy if I don't look stupid now for being a WhatsApp user. All the unnerving secrets-sharing hubbub, and then all commentary dismisses this as "but every WA user is a FB customer anyway"...
Fortunately I can check out Drexler's images using the tried and true over-the-shoulder technique. The TMP goodies are the best!
Timo Saloniemi
This is cool, the Federation Class in the style of the DSC Connie
https://modelwerkshop.com/products/copy-of-1-1000-discovery-enterprise-dreadnought-conversion-kit
Ptolemy
https://modelwerkshop.com/products/1-1000-discovery-enterprise-ptolemy-chassis-upgrade-kit
And Saladin
https://modelwerkshop.com/collectio...0-discovery-enterprise-frigate-conversion-kit
https://modelwerkshop.com/products/copy-of-1-1000-discovery-enterprise-dreadnought-conversion-kit
Ptolemy
https://modelwerkshop.com/products/1-1000-discovery-enterprise-ptolemy-chassis-upgrade-kit
And Saladin
https://modelwerkshop.com/collectio...0-discovery-enterprise-frigate-conversion-kit
This rather nicely demonstrates how the S31 cruisers are portrayed as rather too large: for one thing, they are just the basic intel cutter with bits added on, and for another, they never seem to outbulk the Enterprise let alone the hero ship when we get comparison shots. The Eaglemoss dimensions might be considered 200% of the "actual" size.
Whether the Qugh is that big "actually" is another point to debate. The Klingon ship is almost always closest to the camera in the fight shots with the Gagarin, exaggerating her apparent size - until the shot where she and the two battle cruisers are between the Gagarin and the faraway Discovery, suggesting that they all are at most the size of the former starship. So Eaglemoss stats would be 300-400% of the real deal there. Battle of Binaries has them slightly larger, but still nowhere as large as here, and definitely not in comparison with the Ship of the Dead: in their big warp-in scene, they might be about 1/3 the width of T'Kumva's relic, not more than half the width as in this diagram.
The rest seems close enough to tango.
Timo Saloniemi
Whether the Qugh is that big "actually" is another point to debate. The Klingon ship is almost always closest to the camera in the fight shots with the Gagarin, exaggerating her apparent size - until the shot where she and the two battle cruisers are between the Gagarin and the faraway Discovery, suggesting that they all are at most the size of the former starship. So Eaglemoss stats would be 300-400% of the real deal there. Battle of Binaries has them slightly larger, but still nowhere as large as here, and definitely not in comparison with the Ship of the Dead: in their big warp-in scene, they might be about 1/3 the width of T'Kumva's relic, not more than half the width as in this diagram.
The rest seems close enough to tango.
Timo Saloniemi
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This is true.
Some of those lengths are ridiculous. 
I just ignore the Eaglemoss specs and try to enjoy the looks of some of the models.
I just ignore the Eaglemoss specs and try to enjoy the looks of some of the models.Some of those lengths are ridiculous.
They get the lengths from CBS, Eaglemoss doesn't just make them up.
Cryptic gets the same ones for STO, most of the time.
I know where they get them. I prefer to ignore them. 
I mean, it's just for looks anyway.Some of those lengths are ridiculous.
503m for the reboot Klingon D7. Nice.
And of course those numbers are accurate. They're what were used by the CG people so they're pretty absolute. I don't understand why fans want to shink everything down to match the 1960's or 1990's versions of Trek. It ain't that show anymore.
And of course those numbers are accurate. They're what were used by the CG people so they're pretty absolute. I don't understand why fans want to shink everything down to match the 1960's or 1990's versions of Trek. It ain't that show anymore.
Something something respect.
Mike Okuda, Doug Drexler, Andy Probert, Matt Jeffries... none of them are involved anymore. Their designs have been remade, reimagined, retconned. I had all the technical books and size comparison charts, the unofficial deck-by-deck floorplans of the ships too and I still love them... but I get it doesn't matter. Today's Trek is a semi-reboot playing by different rules. The Enterprise is 442m not 289, the Klingon D7 is 503m not 216m. The sets are different, the actors are different, the costumes are different and the sizes are different.