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Starship design history in light of Discovery

STEPhon IT said:
No way. This would be a complete insult to the USS Yorktown, her Captain, and its own illustrious history
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So what? If the Captain feels offended, she's a goddamned traitor and will get booted out of the service and branded for life for being such a weenie.

ITRW, ships get renamed without much ado. Illustrious battleships get reduced to stowage hulks and are forced to donate their names to the newest best thing; there's no room for "getting offended" or other such sissy nonsense, not in reality.

Dukhat said:
That would imply that for 84 years, no other Starfleet vessel had the same experiences that the NX-01 had, and therefore, was not as “special.” I find that hard to believe.
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The opposite could easily be true, though: quite possibly half a dozen other vessels did such splendid things that there was no demand for reusing "Enterprise" for a full century.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Tuskin38 said:
So according to the Season 1 special features, the Sun in the middle of the ISS Charon was not an idea from the writers. It was part of the Charon’s design from the start, and the writers/producers liked it so much they incorporated it into the story by turning it into Mycelium.
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There's some interesting bits in the art of John Eaves book that discuss the design of the Charon; supposedly it was meant to be a terran empire take on the technology of the doomsday machine from TOS. Wish we'd got a better sense of that in the show proper to be honest, as without the explanation its just a bit of an oddball that doesn't seem to really fit with the rest of terran/Federation design. (As an aside, I wonder if this means we can now add the Charon to the TOS callbacks/fanwank list though ;))
 
King Daniel Beyond said:
I am sure they will at some point retcon another new Enterprise into the continuity (NCC-701, probably), post-NX and pre-TOS. And superfans will bend over backwards to prove that no continuity has been violated while the rest of us just roll our eyes...
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As I mentioned before, it's possible that there were several other Enterprises that existed between the NX-01 and the NCC-1701. They could have been UESPA ships with NAR registries (NAR being Federation, non-Starfleet ships), say, the UES Enterprise NAR-701.
 
Or Starfleet ships that are carefully and categorically forgotten because of Plot Reasons, or whatever. Just about the only thing that could cause problems here is if any of these Enterprises actually ended up doing something remarkable - because the name Enterprise isn't supposed to be particularly remarkable when applied to Kirk's ship. Heck, Picard still has to actively campaign for the name not to be forgotten in the 2360s. :devil:

Timo Saloniemi
 
So I got the Eaves Art Book myself now, and according to him it took them almost 5 months to come up with a nacelle shape they liked after Bryan Fuller told them to scrap the round ones. His, and Mark Worthington's (non-canon) justification for square nacelles was because of the Spore Drive.

As said above, the Charon was inspired by the doomsday machine, it's a lot more obvious from the side profile.

Eaves learned about and started on the Enterprise a few months after Fuller left the production. He had nothing to do with it.

A few pictures from the Discovery section of the book I haven't posted already.

https://imgur.com/a/H0oTp6k
 
At least we know the ringship is canon, even if we've seen images of it just twice in the past 39 years. I wouldn't mind seeing an old United Earth ringship in action in an episode of DSC but I won't hold my breath.

The XCV-330 is the bridge that spans the gap between the 20th century space shuttle and the NX-01 and I have to say I like the design more now than I did when I was younger. It's still awkward but has grown on me somewhat, and now that we know the Vulcans used ringships of their own during the 22nd century the technology doesn't seem like so much of a random fluke. If the Vulcans found the design practical then it wasn't some abberation, just a design that didn't seem to last very long with humans on Earth.
 
I could be mistaken, but I believe in the Novel'verse the Ringship was inspired by Vulcan ship design, but then they decided to go back to nacelles because they worked better.
 
Lord Garth said:
In the second half of the 1970s, square headlights on cars overlapped with round headlights. I don't see why the same can't be true of warp nacelles in the Mid-23rd Century.
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Oh, I agree. But that doesn't mean that everyone will see it the same way. It's like the Klingons. There is bound to be a lot more variety than we have seen in the episodes of TOS. But, I see the same old complaints...:shrug:
 
fireproof78 said:
Oh, I agree. But that doesn't mean that everyone will see it the same way. It's like the Klingons. There is bound to be a lot more variety than we have seen in the episodes of TOS. But, I see the same old complaints...:shrug:
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I've reached a point where none of that matters to me now. They can say the entire creative team behind Discovery is made up of Devil-Worshiping Anti-Christs or Retcon-Worshiping Anti-Genes and I wouldn't care.
 
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Well, for 50 years fans were lead to believe that "PRE-The Motion Picture", all Star Fleet Ships had round nacelles.
Nothing up until DISCOVERY had ever dissuaded that notion.

It shouldn't really be all that difficult to understand that some folks may be hesitant to let go of that perception.

Give it time, perhaps with Discovery Season-2 we'll see some background ships with round nacelles, that at least should allay many not-so-stringent fans fears, that the Producers are trying to completely retcon TOS.
(which Fuller apparently wanted to do, but he's not around anymore)
:shrug:
 
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