Starship design history in light of Discovery

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by INACTIVEUSS Einstein, Nov 18, 2017.

  1. Ar-Pharazon

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    I couldn't tell you when it did appear.
     
  2. Timo

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    And we glimpsed the (Mirror) Buran, too. But the blurring out of the de Milo in the Mudd short, and the avoidance of these ships in general, did suggest that there was something horribly wrong with them.

    I just wonder how much wrong, and how much work it is to now make use of them. Perhaps none at all? Perhaps it was all time pressures, and quality of model didn't figure in at all?

    Those are pretty thick nacelles, too: the warp coils could take up a minor part of the top or bottom, really, leaving the saucer "intact".

    I sort of want to think the nacelles are primarily big longitudal cargo bays or whatnot, three side by side (but only the outer ones featuring warp engines). But the massive "ramps" or "hatches" at the aft ends of the outboard ones glow intense white here.

    That's still big enough - at the official 225 meters, the ship is actually bigger than Kirk's TOS one by useful volume. And there does seem to be a deliberate shuttle fight deck at the aft end of the centermost "nacelle".

    It could also be half that, though. The two rows of light on the saucer edge, licking the upper and lower surfaces, have the same issue as the multiple rows of light on the Oberth class saucer: if we truly take them seriously as indicating decks, the ship suddenly becomes several kilometers long (and paradoxically also surprisingly porthole-free, save for these anomalious rows)! We more or less have to ignore them instead - either they are not portholes at all, but sensor lights of some sort, or then those rows of portholes for some reason denote the very upper and lower edges of the single deck.

    The exterior views from the Eaglemoss models appear to be the real deal, though, and are as good as anything we ever got on any other Trek ship.

    Whatever be said about the Battle of Binaries ships, they all appear extremely detailed and self-consistent, both in absolute terms and especially considering the low level of use they actually got when first made. We can easily identify classic starship bits and count window rows, say. So the minor omissions stand out all the more: the Hoover lacks dorsal detail even though the ventral side has detailed phaser turrets and whatnot, say.

    It's all the more amazing considering how much reworking there was going on. The Discovery mess hall wall art is a nice example: the Europa kept changing till the very last, and the wall art does not match the "real" ship, e.g. it's missing a pair of pylons connecting the upper and lower nacelles in the "real" one.

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  3. Gonzo

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    When I first saw it I was hoping the well lit front of the nacelles housings would be hangar bays but no such luck.

    The saucer does look thicker at the edge than the Enterprise so every other deck could have windows while those without could be storage, it looks like there is space for at least 2 decks with matching windows, it would make sense as that is the only space available for living quarters and guest accommodation.

    Mind you we dont know the crew complement either.

    A cut away diagram would be nice to really see how much sapce the nacelles take up.
     
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    So Hiawatha at one point had a ball shaped forward section, like the Daedalus/Olympic.
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    Much better!
     
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    The D7 nacelles were inspired by the Season 1 ship designs, and the 'bridge' was inspired by Eaves work on Enterprise.

    Concept art for the Federation 'Tactical flyers'. I like these a lot more. I really recommend watching the video, some neat stuff in it.
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    Hope we get to see one of those at some point in the show.
     
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    There is concept art for a bridge for the D7, inspired by TMP. Some of the shape made it into that bridge we saw L'Rell on.

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    It keeps the traditional Klingon colors we've seen since TMP. Even the viewscreen is roughly the same shape as the one on the bridge of the Amar in the first film, just a lot bigger.
     
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    That video confirms that the Ba'ul obelisks were designed with the Preserver obelisk in mind. I feel vindicated. Didn't think that design could be entirely random. :techman:
     
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    I didn't realize he did some of the concepts for the sets.

    Seriously, I didn't even know he was working on the show until he was mentioned in the Eaglemoss booklet for the Festoon

    I really thought Eaves designed the S31 ship because of the bottom of it resembling a sea plane. But nope, it was Ryan Dening.
     
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    The Section 31 ships were clearly patterned after the USS Vengeance, which was an Eaves creation.
     
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    I love the idea of all of the S31 designs being Transformers, with even the various four-nacellers folding their stuff for stealth. I really hope we get a full listing of the variants used; this is my sort of kitbashing, with different nacelles used for the different ships, with appropriately scaled bridges for establishing the size, with all sorts of crazy detail inherent in using stuff originally created for a centerpiece vessel.

    Also, nice drop-pods for the Hiawatha, even though I would have preferred the spherical hull.

    The concept of the Discovery having two warp cores, with one dedicated to Stamets making his mushroom stew, is cool beyond belief, and in no way contradicted by anything in the show. We also get visual hints that the engineering bay we see is offset to port, and angled along the surface features rather than along the centerline.

    Too bad we got no concept art on the final design stages for the onscreen tactical pods. Of the four options seen, I have a soft spot for the TUC-shuttle-on-steroids variant, even if it may be considered an adaptation of Darth Vader's TIE as well. The others are a bit too generic, and/or better fitting the TNG computer game scene where we sort of already saw all the other three shapes.

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  14. Ar-Pharazon

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    At what "point"?
    USS Hiawatha 1a.jpg
     
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    A branching point...

    The sphere-hulled ship looks more "done" IMHO than the eventual version: the slabby horizontal pylon in the latter just seems lazy, especially when paired with the far more interesting ventral pylonage we never get a good look at.

    On the other vessels, I think good choices were made, out of the options shown!

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    During the design process.

    According to the video they went back and forth between the two designs for quite a while before settling on the one seen in the show.
     
  17. Ar-Pharazon

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    It's just a hospital frigate. I do like the ball being a callback to the Daedalus and a precursor to the Olympic class from AGT, but a hospital ship needs the space a blocky thing like the Hiawatha we saw provides.

    Making the interior a warehouse is the lazy part ;)


    Gotcha :techman:
     
  18. Tuskin38

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    For the one in the show, Ryan designed the bottom as a series of containers that could be deployed

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    He also said he was inspired by the shape of the Botany Bay for some of his concepts for the ship.

    Other than the colour scheme, I don't see anything in common in the designs.
     
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    So it drops Cap Troopers?? :rommie:
    I do like the Spherical hull one better, just looks better to me :)
     
  20. cooleddie74

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    I do prefer the Hiawatha to have just two warp nacelles rather than the four on the final screen model.
     
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