Yep, you’re right. Forgot about the Intrepid, and she came first, both temporally and cinematically.
Starship design history in light of Discovery
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Defo influenced with the abandoned factory shooting location, though. It definitely brought to mind the Kelvinprise engineering areas.
I wonder why the engines are upside down.
I mean, the lip at the nacelle front end is pretty pronounced and is always on top on the other ships, including the four-nacellers. Installing it this way around must have been a conscious choice. Was it the saucer that was originally the other way round, and this was changed at the last minute?
(Or are we actually seeing the intended top of the ship here, and the only thing that was changed was where the top pennant paint would go?)
Timo Saloniemi
I mean, the lip at the nacelle front end is pretty pronounced and is always on top on the other ships, including the four-nacellers. Installing it this way around must have been a conscious choice. Was it the saucer that was originally the other way round, and this was changed at the last minute?
(Or are we actually seeing the intended top of the ship here, and the only thing that was changed was where the top pennant paint would go?)
Timo Saloniemi
The fun thing is, since this bottom was never ever seen, we can always claim it featured appropriate top paint and even a pronounced bridge module, and the ship indeed was upside down on that rock. With artificial gravity and local anomalies and whatnot, there's no telling which way was up anyway (and obviously the exteral down wasn't towards the floor, since the floor was at an acute angle with the ground truth when our heroes approached the ship!).
The Discovery bridge display graphic of the ship shows the orientation where the nacelle lips are down, FWIW. Might not mean much.
The two separate boxy parts of the hull leave a nice trench for shooting photon torpedoes out of that pod! Perhaps this is what "medical frigate" means: the boxes are new, and perhaps stretch the midhull, but the ship is "originally" a combatant and all the nasty bits are still present and functional?
Timo Saloniemi
The Discovery bridge display graphic of the ship shows the orientation where the nacelle lips are down, FWIW. Might not mean much.
The two separate boxy parts of the hull leave a nice trench for shooting photon torpedoes out of that pod! Perhaps this is what "medical frigate" means: the boxes are new, and perhaps stretch the midhull, but the ship is "originally" a combatant and all the nasty bits are still present and functional?
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...Ah, seems I got it wrong: the Europa actually has the nacelle lips down on the lower pair of engines after all. The Buran doesn't, though.
Here's a fun coincidence: a noncanon ship in the same registry range, essentially a "pre-refit" Hiawatha without the optional-extra boxes, torpedo roll bar or hull stretch, and with "original" round shapes.
https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Fortune
Timo Saloniemi
Here's a fun coincidence: a noncanon ship in the same registry range, essentially a "pre-refit" Hiawatha without the optional-extra boxes, torpedo roll bar or hull stretch, and with "original" round shapes.
https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Fortune
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It might have been a war-deployed Q-ship all along.
Although that's not very Starfleet...
Eaves doesn’t have Discovery season 2 listed on his site, but he does have Picard, so I think my theory was right
http://www.johneavesart.com/about-me
I wonder who designed the D7 then.
http://www.johneavesart.com/about-me
I wonder who designed the D7 then.
new trailer for the short trek "the trouble with edward" is giving us our first look at a magee class ship outside of the battle of the binary stars:
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One USS Cabot, apparently. I wonder if we can see the registry?
Finally they're making actual use of the ships created for the DSC pilot. I really wonder why nothing like this ever was done during the first season, whenever the storyline desperately required showing Cornwell arriving in a ship, say. Were all the models utter crap originally? They didn't seem to be, not the T'Plana-Hath one at least...
It's also the first real chance to see whether the "official" sizes for these ships work in practice. If anything, the Cabot looks biger than originally, what with both the window rows on the saucer edge fully lit. Is that all right for this role?
Timo Saloniemi
Finally they're making actual use of the ships created for the DSC pilot. I really wonder why nothing like this ever was done during the first season, whenever the storyline desperately required showing Cornwell arriving in a ship, say. Were all the models utter crap originally? They didn't seem to be, not the T'Plana-Hath one at least...
It's also the first real chance to see whether the "official" sizes for these ships work in practice. If anything, the Cabot looks biger than originally, what with both the window rows on the saucer edge fully lit. Is that all right for this role?
Timo Saloniemi
It's entirely possible all the background ships we saw were way too low-poly and/or underdetailed for hi-def up-close use.
New season, with a new budget, and when a script calls for a ship to be shown, they can take any number of the old meshes and fancy them up for a fraction of the cost that it took to build the original models.
New season, with a new budget, and when a script calls for a ship to be shown, they can take any number of the old meshes and fancy them up for a fraction of the cost that it took to build the original models.
they're obviously reusing the discovery (aka shenzhou, aka enterprise, aka de milo) sets again, but i'm appreciating the repaint. looks like her interior is prominently light blue, rather than bronze like discovery or red-orange like the enterprise. keep them coming short treks.
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The Magee class is nice and compact, its a pretty efficient shape although having the nacelles run through the main hull must limit the available internal volume (they do mitigate this by adding decks on top and below the nacelles though), it certainly makes the ship more robust and the extra protection for the nacelles doesnt hurt.
If its the same design as some of the other pictures we have seen the nacelles stretch the entire length of the ship (was hoping for hangars at the front but its only 200m long), there are at least 2 full decks on the saucer edge but I think it could be double that if the design matches some of the drawings and pictures that can be found online, its hard to to be sure based on the clip that was released.
Looks to me like a solid precursor to the Oberth class, its big enough for scouting and surveying duties at least.
Would like to see some detailed plans of the Discovery ships, we may never get them though.
If its the same design as some of the other pictures we have seen the nacelles stretch the entire length of the ship (was hoping for hangars at the front but its only 200m long), there are at least 2 full decks on the saucer edge but I think it could be double that if the design matches some of the drawings and pictures that can be found online, its hard to to be sure based on the clip that was released.
Looks to me like a solid precursor to the Oberth class, its big enough for scouting and surveying duties at least.
Would like to see some detailed plans of the Discovery ships, we may never get them though.
It's really strange that They don't post the Short Trek Trailers on All Access.
Bottom center?
Heh...
That wasn't there earlier this morning when I went looking for it.
I couldn't tell you when it did appear.
And we glimpsed the (Mirror) Buran, too. But the blurring out of the de Milo in the Mudd short, and the avoidance of these ships in general, did suggest that there was something horribly wrong with them.
I just wonder how much wrong, and how much work it is to now make use of them. Perhaps none at all? Perhaps it was all time pressures, and quality of model didn't figure in at all?
Those are pretty thick nacelles, too: the warp coils could take up a minor part of the top or bottom, really, leaving the saucer "intact".
I sort of want to think the nacelles are primarily big longitudal cargo bays or whatnot, three side by side (but only the outer ones featuring warp engines). But the massive "ramps" or "hatches" at the aft ends of the outboard ones glow intense white here.
That's still big enough - at the official 225 meters, the ship is actually bigger than Kirk's TOS one by useful volume. And there does seem to be a deliberate shuttle fight deck at the aft end of the centermost "nacelle".
It could also be half that, though. The two rows of light on the saucer edge, licking the upper and lower surfaces, have the same issue as the multiple rows of light on the Oberth class saucer: if we truly take them seriously as indicating decks, the ship suddenly becomes several kilometers long (and paradoxically also surprisingly porthole-free, save for these anomalious rows)! We more or less have to ignore them instead - either they are not portholes at all, but sensor lights of some sort, or then those rows of portholes for some reason denote the very upper and lower edges of the single deck.
The exterior views from the Eaglemoss models appear to be the real deal, though, and are as good as anything we ever got on any other Trek ship.
Whatever be said about the Battle of Binaries ships, they all appear extremely detailed and self-consistent, both in absolute terms and especially considering the low level of use they actually got when first made. We can easily identify classic starship bits and count window rows, say. So the minor omissions stand out all the more: the Hoover lacks dorsal detail even though the ventral side has detailed phaser turrets and whatnot, say.
It's all the more amazing considering how much reworking there was going on. The Discovery mess hall wall art is a nice example: the Europa kept changing till the very last, and the wall art does not match the "real" ship, e.g. it's missing a pair of pylons connecting the upper and lower nacelles in the "real" one.
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