Stargate Universe Ratings Thread!

[archeryguy1701]

Well they have to finish S2 at least, they've filmed them, and its in the bag as far as S2 goes. S3 though, yeah, that's up in the air, until there is official notice of a renewal, who knows.

Unfortunately, they don't have to finish airing S2. The remainder of Caprica S1 was already filmed, and they bagged that early. If they're going to kill a show that's in the middle of airing new episodes, I'm sure they have no problem with killing one during a midseason hiatus.

 

[Flavius]

It's a shame, the show has been getting better a lot lately.

 

[Harvey]

Well they have to finish S2 at least, they've filmed them, and its in the bag as far as S2 goes. S3 though, yeah, that's up in the air, until there is official notice of a renewal, who knows.

Unfortunately, they don't have to finish airing S2. The remainder of Caprica S1 was already filmed, and they bagged that early. If they're going to kill a show that's in the middle of airing new episodes, I'm sure they have no problem with killing one during a midseason hiatus.

True, but the ratings for CAPRICA were even lower than the ratings for STARGATE UNIVERSE, and there were fewer episodes of CAPRICA left when the cancellation notice was given. And, although they've put off airing the episodes of CAPRICA, they will be aired eventually in some capacity and will be on DVD before that. They'll be seen (indeed, they already have been outside of the US).

 

[Saquist]

Intervention: 1.175 mil

Aftermath: 1.070 mil

Awakening: 1.222 mil

Pathogen: 0.974 mil

Cloverdale: 1.012 mil

Trial and Error: 0.967 mil

The Greater Good: 1.074 mil

Malice: 1.025 mil

Visitations 1.169 million

Resurgence 1.094 mill

Average 1.0782 through 10 episodes.

94 million people with cable and 1.07 million is the best they could do? This show is crap and the ratings are screaming it.
They couldn't even get to 1.4 million on a finale, they clearly have failed to capture the audience they are targeting and JM's last blog entry seems to says he knows it's coming. How can he not? This produce is bad.

Now all these fans are going to go ENT on us and claim that "it's such a shame when it's getting better." I'm sorry to tell you guys, it just doesn't matter once you've alienated your core audience and your peripheral audience starts to ignore you. That's what this finale shows. No one showed up to find out what happened so why would any one show up to find out the conclusion?

Stop biting the had that feeds you.
Apologize to your fans.
Cancel this black hole of money pit.
Take a break
Get your crap in order.
GET ON YOUR KNEES for Torri Higginson
Put Atlantis back on the air and make AMAZING shows.

What an unbelievable failure this show has been.

 

[PsychoPere]

^ "Resurgence" was not a finale. Those come at the end of a season, not in the middle.

 

[MPH]

Intervention: 1.175 mil

Aftermath: 1.070 mil

Awakening: 1.222 mil

Pathogen: 0.974 mil

Cloverdale: 1.012 mil

Trial and Error: 0.967 mil

The Greater Good: 1.074 mil

Malice: 1.025 mil

Visitations 1.169 million

Resurgence 1.094 mill

Average 1.0782 through 10 episodes.

94 million people with cable and 1.07 million is the best they could do? This show is crap and the ratings are screaming it.
They couldn't even get to 1.4 million on a finale, they clearly have failed to capture the audience they are targeting and JM's last blog entry seems to says he knows it's coming. How can he not? This produce is bad.

Now all these fans are going to go ENT on us and claim that "it's such a shame when it's getting better." I'm sorry to tell you guys, it just doesn't matter once you've alienated your core audience and your peripheral audience starts to ignore you. That's what this finale shows. No one showed up to find out what happened so why would any one show up to find out the conclusion?

Stop biting the had that feeds you.
Apologize to your fans.
Cancel this black hole of money pit.
Take a break
Get your crap in order.
GET ON YOUR KNEES for Torri Higginson
Put Atlantis back on the air and make AMAZING shows.

What an unbelievable failure this show has been.

You sound like one of those fans that Brad Wright was talking about pissed off because they finished Atlantis for Universe. The truth is that Atlantis had run its course as a series and was getting very stale, IMO Universe has come along way these past couple of episodes and will be gutted to see it cancelled.

 

[SG-17]

Intervention: 1.175 mil

Aftermath: 1.070 mil

Awakening: 1.222 mil

Pathogen: 0.974 mil

Cloverdale: 1.012 mil

Trial and Error: 0.967 mil

The Greater Good: 1.074 mil

Malice: 1.025 mil

Visitations 1.169 million

Resurgence 1.094 mill

Average 1.0782 through 10 episodes.

94 million people with cable and 1.07 million is the best they could do? This show is crap and the ratings are screaming it.
They couldn't even get to 1.4 million on a finale, they clearly have failed to capture the audience they are targeting and JM's last blog entry seems to says he knows it's coming. How can he not? This produce is bad.

Now all these fans are going to go ENT on us and claim that "it's such a shame when it's getting better." I'm sorry to tell you guys, it just doesn't matter once you've alienated your core audience and your peripheral audience starts to ignore you. That's what this finale shows. No one showed up to find out what happened so why would any one show up to find out the conclusion?

Stop biting the had that feeds you.
Apologize to your fans.
Cancel this black hole of money pit.
Take a break
Get your crap in order.
GET ON YOUR KNEES for Torri Higginson
Put Atlantis back on the air and make AMAZING shows.

What an unbelievable failure this show has been.

The core audience hasn't been alienated. I and millions of other people have been watching Stargate since 1997 and continue to watch even though Universe is a bit of a departure from what the early years were.
You sound like someone who is hoping for Universe to get canceled out of spite for another show(s) being canceled. You seriously need to cool down and take down your strawmen. As well Joseph Mallozzi's last (few) blog post(s) didn't even allude to him thinking Universe was at its end. His dog is sick and he is rightfully worried and a bit angry about that.
Stargate is and probably always will be a small "cult" show. Atlantis consistently had ratings in the 1.1-1.3 range aside from the series premier. Marginally better than SGU.
Another thing, you completely failed to mention or admit to the reason why the ratings aren't super high might be because the show was moved to Tuesdays during a high period of network sports and shows.

 

[Kelthaz]

The core audience hasn't been alienated. I and millions of other people have been watching Stargate since 1997 and continue to watch even though Universe is a bit of a departure from what the early years were.

Millions? SG:U barely gets the non-plural version of that on a good day. I don't know how can you argue that the core audience hasn't been alienated. Have you been reading any threads for Universe here or seen the massive censorship on GateWorld?

 

[PsychoPere]

I'd really be interested in seeing DVR and VOD figures for SGU. I wouldn't be at all surprised if a significant portion of SGU's viewerbase comes from timeshifted numbers.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Intervention: 1.175 mil

Aftermath: 1.070 mil

Awakening: 1.222 mil

Pathogen: 0.974 mil

Cloverdale: 1.012 mil

Trial and Error: 0.967 mil

The Greater Good: 1.074 mil

Malice: 1.025 mil

Visitations 1.169 million

Resurgence 1.094 mill

Average 1.0782 through 10 episodes.

94 million people with cable and 1.07 million is the best they could do? This show is crap and the ratings are screaming it.
They couldn't even get to 1.4 million on a finale, they clearly have failed to capture the audience they are targeting and JM's last blog entry seems to says he knows it's coming. How can he not? This produce is bad.

Now all these fans are going to go ENT on us and claim that "it's such a shame when it's getting better." I'm sorry to tell you guys, it just doesn't matter once you've alienated your core audience and your peripheral audience starts to ignore you. That's what this finale shows. No one showed up to find out what happened so why would any one show up to find out the conclusion?

Stop biting the had that feeds you.
Apologize to your fans.
Cancel this black hole of money pit.
Take a break
Get your crap in order.
GET ON YOUR KNEES for Torri Higginson
Put Atlantis back on the air and make AMAZING shows.

What an unbelievable failure this show has been.

As others have said, this show does only slightly worse than Atlantis did, as far as ratings. It would appear that it's managed to pick up about as many fans as it "alienated," so there's not much difference there.

I agree that it's taken too long for this show to find its footing and start to exploit its potential, and perhaps that will seal its fate, but I'm hoping it keeps up its improvement and picks up additional viewers along the way.

I certainly don't want to see it get canceled. Anyone who wants it canceled in favor of bringing SGA back is living in some kind of dream world, anyway. It'll never happen.

 

[SG-17]

The core audience hasn't been alienated. I and millions of other people have been watching Stargate since 1997 and continue to watch even though Universe is a bit of a departure from what the early years were.

Millions? SG:U barely gets the non-plural version of that on a good day. I don't know how can you argue that the core audience hasn't been alienated. Have you been reading any threads for Universe here or seen the massive censorship on GateWorld?

Do you realize how small of a fraction of people who watch TV actually have a ratings box? If somehow everyone could be tracked on what they watched, there would be several million watching SGU.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

The core audience hasn't been alienated. I and millions of other people have been watching Stargate since 1997 and continue to watch even though Universe is a bit of a departure from what the early years were.

Millions? SG:U barely gets the non-plural version of that on a good day. I don't know how can you argue that the core audience hasn't been alienated. Have you been reading any threads for Universe here or seen the massive censorship on GateWorld?

Do you realize how small of a fraction of people who watch TV actually have a ratings box? If somehow everyone could be tracked on what they watched, there would be several million watching SGU.

RATINGS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY! </Morbo>

The ratings numbers shown are estimates based on Nielsen data. Unless you believe statistical analysis is worthless, the numbers are reasonably close, albeit not exact.

SyFy also considers those who watch the show on DVR within a week of its airing, I think, which is a substantial portion.

There are not "several million" watching SGU, though, unless the existing ratings system is that deeply flawed. And if it was that terribly broken, the TV industry would refuse to rely on it. After all, ratings are money. No way would networks stand by and accept statistics that show their ratings as 1/5 of what they really are. That's advertising dollars gone *poof*.

 

[SG-17]

Millions? SG:U barely gets the non-plural version of that on a good day. I don't know how can you argue that the core audience hasn't been alienated. Have you been reading any threads for Universe here or seen the massive censorship on GateWorld?

Do you realize how small of a fraction of people who watch TV actually have a ratings box? If somehow everyone could be tracked on what they watched, there would be several million watching SGU.

RATINGS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY! </Morbo>

The ratings numbers shown are estimates based on Nielsen data. Unless you believe statistical analysis is worthless, the numbers are reasonably close, albeit not exact.

SyFy also considers those who watch the show on DVR within a week of its airing, I think, which is a substantial portion.

There are not "several million" watching SGU, though, unless the existing ratings system is that deeply flawed. And if it was that terribly broken, the TV industry would refuse to rely on it. After all, ratings are money. No way would networks stand by and accept statistics that show their ratings as 1/5 of what they really are. That's advertising dollars gone *poof*.

Nielsen ratings only count those who watch in the US.
Canada, Europe, and the rest of the world aren't counted. If you count them you would surely get several million, even though they are probably several weeks behind (except for Canada and the UK).

 

[Mr Awe]

Intervention: 1.175 mil

Aftermath: 1.070 mil

Awakening: 1.222 mil

Pathogen: 0.974 mil

Cloverdale: 1.012 mil

Trial and Error: 0.967 mil

The Greater Good: 1.074 mil

Malice: 1.025 mil

Visitations 1.169 million

Resurgence 1.094 mill

Average 1.0782 through 10 episodes.

it just doesn't matter once you've alienated your core audience

Actually, the numbers show that the core audience is still there. Week in, week out, there are about a million viewers. It's actually pretty darn consistent. Those 1 million viewers are the core audience. They were there at the start and they stuck through the half-season right up to the end.

That's actually a good sign. Not great, but at least there was no general decline through out the entire season. That would've been worse. *That* would've indicated an alienated core audience. The stable ratings show that the core audience is still there.

Mr Awe

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Do you realize how small of a fraction of people who watch TV actually have a ratings box? If somehow everyone could be tracked on what they watched, there would be several million watching SGU.

RATINGS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY! </Morbo>

The ratings numbers shown are estimates based on Nielsen data. Unless you believe statistical analysis is worthless, the numbers are reasonably close, albeit not exact.

SyFy also considers those who watch the show on DVR within a week of its airing, I think, which is a substantial portion.

There are not "several million" watching SGU, though, unless the existing ratings system is that deeply flawed. And if it was that terribly broken, the TV industry would refuse to rely on it. After all, ratings are money. No way would networks stand by and accept statistics that show their ratings as 1/5 of what they really are. That's advertising dollars gone *poof*.

Nielsen ratings only count those who watch in the US.
Canada, Europe, and the rest of the world aren't counted. If you count them you would surely get several million, even though they are probably several weeks behind (except for Canada and the UK).

Only US numbers matter because syndication in foreign markets doesn't pay that well and overseas audiences tend to be pitifully small compared to what first-run American shows get. Unless a show is some kind of crazy breakout hit overseas, ratings in foreign markets just don't matter that much when it comes time to decide what to renew and what to cancel.

DVD sales, on the other hand, weigh quite a bit on genre shows like this. But according to Amazon, the complete series of SG-1 is currently a much bigger seller in the SF&F category than SGU season 1. And that's for a show that's been off the air for several years.

I wish SGU's DVD sales were better, but they are pretty lousy.

 

[Saquist]

Intervention: 1.175 mil

Aftermath: 1.070 mil

Awakening: 1.222 mil

Pathogen: 0.974 mil

Cloverdale: 1.012 mil

Trial and Error: 0.967 mil

The Greater Good: 1.074 mil

Malice: 1.025 mil

Visitations 1.169 million

Resurgence 1.094 mill

Average 1.0782 through 10 episodes.

it just doesn't matter once you've alienated your core audience

Actually, the numbers show that the core audience is still there. Week in, week out, there are about a million viewers. It's actually pretty darn consistent. Those 1 million viewers are the core audience. They were there at the start and they stuck through the half-season right up to the end.

That's actually a good sign. Not great, but at least there was no general decline through out the entire season. That would've been worse. *That* would've indicated an alienated core audience. The stable ratings show that the core audience is still there.

Mr Awe

The core Stargate Audience is like 2 or 3 times larger...and I think it's a fair estimate that they alienated about 2/3 of their fan base by canceling SGA...and the poor diplomacy of the producers speaking to the fans and as well as the poor product.

Now look at the pilots for each. SGA brought in 5.5 million on the first episode and SGU 2.5 million. That says alot. It means your peripheral audience wasn't drawn in by the premise at all.

Intervention: 1.175 mil

Aftermath: 1.070 mil

Awakening: 1.222 mil

Pathogen: 0.974 mil

Cloverdale: 1.012 mil

Trial and Error: 0.967 mil

The Greater Good: 1.074 mil

Malice: 1.025 mil

Visitations 1.169 million

Resurgence 1.094 mill

Average 1.0782 through 10 episodes.

94 million people with cable and 1.07 million is the best they could do? This show is crap and the ratings are screaming it.
They couldn't even get to 1.4 million on a finale, they clearly have failed to capture the audience they are targeting and JM's last blog entry seems to says he knows it's coming. How can he not? This produce is bad.

Now all these fans are going to go ENT on us and claim that "it's such a shame when it's getting better." I'm sorry to tell you guys, it just doesn't matter once you've alienated your core audience and your peripheral audience starts to ignore you. That's what this finale shows. No one showed up to find out what happened so why would any one show up to find out the conclusion?

Stop biting the had that feeds you.
Apologize to your fans.
Cancel this black hole of money pit.
Take a break
Get your crap in order.
GET ON YOUR KNEES for Torri Higginson
Put Atlantis back on the air and make AMAZING shows.

What an unbelievable failure this show has been.

As others have said, this show does only slightly worse than Atlantis did, as far as ratings. It would appear that it's managed to pick up about as many fans as it "alienated," so there's not much difference there.

I agree that it's taken too long for this show to find its footing and start to exploit its potential, and perhaps that will seal its fate, but I'm hoping it keeps up its improvement and picks up additional viewers along the way.

I certainly don't want to see it get canceled. Anyone who wants it canceled in favor of bringing SGA back is living in some kind of dream world, anyway. It'll never happen.

it's science fiction, I can afford to dream but more important is that it would be the right thing to do.

Atlantis.

The series was a ratings success for the Sci Fi Channel, and was particularly popular in Europe and Australia. Although it received little critical response, Stargate Atlantis was honored with numerous awards and award nominations in its five-season run.~ wiki

They had a money maker and they really gave it up for what is effectively a bomb from episode one.

 

[archeryguy1701]

Saquist, I have a minor issue with some of the stuff you're saying. SGA towards the end was getting only slightly better ratings than SGU has now. If the core Stargate fanbase is 2-3x larger than the group that's supporting SGU, as you claim, where were they for Atlantis? They obviously seem to have left before SGU even became an issue. Further, since the ratings for both series are pretty similar, how exactly does canning SGA for SGU constitute giving up a money maker for a bomb?

Personally, I'll take Universe over Atlantis. Atlantis wasn't a bad show, but it was trying desperately to be SG-1, and it just didn't really work for my. I'm finding that Universe is a lot more interesting and enjoyable.

 

[bullethead]

Saquist, I have a minor issue with some of the stuff you're saying. SGA towards the end was getting only slightly better ratings than SGU has now. If the core Stargate fanbase is 2-3x larger than the group that's supporting SGU, as you claim, where were they for Atlantis? They obviously seem to have left before SGU even became an issue. Further, since the ratings for both series are pretty similar, how exactly does canning SGA for SGU constitute giving up a money maker for a bomb?

The ratings drop probably has to do with people getting tired of SGA floundering around after the second season and rehashing old stuff a lot. The canceling SGA for SGU being a bust thing is probably based off interviews where Brad Wright or one of the other producers said something about getting more than the 2 million viewers Atlantis got in its final season, which they obviously failed to do.

 

[Jax]

SGU ratings are no doubt the rewards for having a franchise run for about 15 years by the time season 2 ends, longer if you count the movie. Audiences erode over time and the way SYFY handles airing their shows and the demise of SGA for this show did not help one bit. The aburpt change of tone comapred to SG-1/SG-A has not helped but even if this show was amazing it would still struggle because people are bored of SG no matter how well or poorly written + Tuesday factor.

Simple fact 40% of the shows audience DO NOT watch it live and its probably higher than that when you count other means of watching it and not just DVR factor. If on friday it may limp towards it but SGU would get to at least 4 seasons but on Tuesday night its not got a chance.

The question is with the mess SYFY and MGM have made of handling the franchise of the past 4 years do they want to go out on a whimper or try to make something out of SGU, friday nights or bust but after SGU the franchise needs a LONG LONG rest.

 

[SG-17]

If MGM does decide to give SG a break after Universe has run its course then I sincerely hope that there is at least one more DVD film (in addition to Extinction) that is focused on full public disclosure of the Stargate Program.