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Stargate Universe Ratings Thread!

Wait, I thought you were trying to sell a backlash against SGU, but then you come out and say the backlash occurred during season 3 of SGA. So, which is it? Did fans lash out against Atlantis or Universe? Sounds to me like Atlantis alienated some fans who never even came back to bother with SGU.
 
Saquist said:
The numbers do support a backlash.
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Whatever dude, you're just seeing what you want to see. The first 10 episodes of SGU were at least as high as the first 10 eps of SGA's last season. The 2nd half, the numbers are roughly equal. If there was a backlash against SGU, SGU would have significantly lower ratings than the SGA season immediately before it. :vulcan:

I enjoyed SGA and hope to continue to enjoy SGU. Neither were perfect but they were sufficiently entertaining to keep me tuned in.

Mr Awe
 
Mr Awe said:
Saquist said:
The numbers do support a backlash.
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Whatever dude, you're just seeing what you want to see. The first 10 episodes of SGU were at least as high as the first 10 eps of SGA's last season. The 2nd half, the numbers are roughly equal. If there was a backlash against SGU, SGU would have significantly lower ratings than the SGA season immediately before it. :vulcan:

I enjoyed SGA and hope to continue to enjoy SGU. Neither were perfect but they were sufficiently entertaining to keep me tuned in.

Mr Awe
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Sorry I'm just not desperate to enjoy the genre like you are.
I have standards and I stick to them.

I don't have to spin the numbers comparing the head to the rear end to make the show look good. (but if that's what makes you happy then who am I to get in your way?)

Robert Maxwell said:
Wait, I thought you were trying to sell a backlash against SGU, but then you come out and say the backlash occurred during season 3 of SGA. So, which is it? Did fans lash out against Atlantis or Universe? Sounds to me like Atlantis alienated some fans who never even came back to bother with SGU.
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No. Mr. Awe started the whole "Backlash" talk.

I was judging, and I quote myself, "The Success of the Series"

I also said:
The core Stargate Audience is like 2 or 3 times larger...and I think it's a fair estimate that they alienated about 2/3 of their fan base by canceling SGA...and the poor diplomacy of the producers speaking to the fans and as well as the poor product.

I didn't say the Stargate Atlantis Audience was 2 or 3 Larger. But the core Stargate Audience is. I also attributed the loss of viewers to DIPLOMACY and Canceling SGA as well as other factors which Mr. Awe ignored because of his outrage at the condemning of SGU. Which is justified as SGU has gone from 1.7 million to 1 million and under which Stargate has never done as a series. We're not talking FANS we're talking Audience and that Audience is at least 3 million at it's strongest.

Once Mr. Awe got us on the Backlash Train, I said the Blacklash started with the Season 3 SGA.

The Michael Plot severely derailed what was called a critically successful season 1 of SGA. They took 2 Seasons to resolve this ENT rejects role in the story and lost a considerable number of viewers in the process. Despite an improved Season 4 plot the series is derailed again by Higginson's departure which apparently was supposed to be the focus of Season 4 and 5. Season 5 now in disarray, the producers decided to abandon SGA in for a new series in hopes of erasing their errors with the SGA writing and cast.

This is an attempt at a do over. New Characters and new setting. Yet the Pilot doesn't get anywhere close to where SGA achieved on it's first season as a new series. Must I point out that the pilot is supposed to be the best ratings most series will ever see? Instead of starting out strong SGU starts out 1.7 million viewers. SG-1 started off at 1.85 million and peaked...NAY...SPIKED multiple times...repeatedly over 2 million.

Mr. Awe is comparing one Failed Season to another FAILED Season and says "look they are the same" It doesn't matter that it's SGA or SGU. It's the same writing crew it the same producers that made poor decision in Atlantis. Of course the seasons look similar. They've obviously burned the fans and the audience with bad writing.
 
^^ Yeah, it's not worth continuing this discussion. My point in this thread is simply that there is no ratings evidence to support what you say happened. I'm not even talking about the quality of the series.

As for being upset about the outrage over SGU? I really don't care. In fact, anyone who reads my posts here would know that I've criticized SGU myself, particularly the writing and the characters. This includes some fairly explicit criticisms of how they could do better. In many ways, they've bumbled the execution up to this point. But, I do find it entertaining enough to continue watching.

Mr Awe
 
Mr Awe said:
^^ Yeah, it's not worth continuing this discussion. My point in this thread is simply that there is no ratings evidence to support what you say happened. I'm not even talking about the quality of the series.
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Next time I would prefer that you quote my claims accurately rather than producing a strawman, however unintentional they may be and don't be so stubborn as to not be correctable when one tells you that was not their argument.

But, I do find it entertaining enough to continue watching.

Mr Awe
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Like I always say: Someone has to watch it. And that's great for you that you've found some enjoyment in the show.
 
Mr Awe said:
So, according to the graph, SGA's core audience was 1.25 million in its final season while SGU's core audience this season is 1.00 million. So, the core audience is down by about a quarter million, not the 2 or 3 million that Saquist suggests.

ETA: Actually, that chart is inaccurate too, at least for SGU ratings for this season. SGU was consistently right near 1 million, sometimes slightly above, some times slightly below. The chart shows SGU as always being being below 1 million, sometimes significantly below 1 million. I'm not sure how much I trust that chart now.

Mr Awe
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The chart is accurate, but it shows the Syfy HH coverage ratings and not viewers in millions. See here:

http://forums.sgusucks.com/showthread.php/133-Ratings


There are more overviews on the site and also this information:


Live + SD Ratings

SGU, season 1 average: 1.684 million viewers
SGU, 1. half average: 1.949 million viewers
SGU, 2. half average: 1.445 million viewers
SGU, season 2 average: 1.078 million viewers (ep. 21 - 30)

In comparison to SGA's live + SD numbers:

SGA, 2. half of season 4 average: 1.7 million viewers
SGA, season 5 average: 1.610 million viewers
SGA, 2. half of season 5 average : 1.68 million viewers


Live + 7 Ratings

SGU, season 1 average: 2.29 million viewers (not including episode 18 and 19)
SGU, 1. half average: 2.54 million viewers
SGU, 2. half average: 2.01 million viewers (not including episode 18 and 19)
SGU, season 2 average: 1.556 million viewers (ep. 21 - 28)

In comparison to SGA's live + 7 numbers:

SGA season 1: 2.8 million viewers
SGA season 2: 2.2 million viewers
SGA season 3: 1.9 million viewers
SGA season 4: 2.0 million viewers
SGA season 5: 2.103 million viewers

*Season 1 was live + SD, since live + 7 did not exist yet*

SGA live + 7 ratings of the last 10 episodes of season 5:

The Lost Tribe - 2.5 million viewers
Outsiders - 2.0 million viewers
Inquisition - 1.9 million viewers
The Prodigal - 2.0 million viewers
Remnants - 2.2 million viewers
Brainstorm - 2.2 million viewers
Infection - 2.0 million viewers
Identity - 2.0 million viewers
Vegas - 2.3 million viewers
Enemy at the Gate - 2.5 million viewers
 
I'm sorry, are you still trying to "prove" SGU is a terrible show or that there was some kind of "fan backlash" by using ratings numbers?
 
None of these ratings mean jackshit. The show has to get the funds from advertisements to continue airing. People have to watch live in order to do that.
 
Robert Maxwell said:
I'm sorry, are you still trying to "prove" SGU is a terrible show or that there was some kind of "fan backlash" by using ratings numbers?
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Do you mean me? I just wanted to correct all the wrong information in this thread.

Obviously no one of you knew the real meaning of the chart. And some people in this thread wrote, that SGA was doing as bad or nearly as bad in its last season as SGU is doing now. That is just not true. SGA's ratings were a lot better.

When you compare ratings of two series, you should at least use correct information!
 
Starbreaker said:
None of these ratings mean jackshit. The show has to get the funds from advertisements to continue airing. People have to watch live in order to do that.
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The thing is not alot of people do that anymore as viewing habits have changed and with the ease of DVR recording Universe is a show that would be recorded and watched at a later date.
 
Cake said:
Robert Maxwell said:
I'm sorry, are you still trying to "prove" SGU is a terrible show or that there was some kind of "fan backlash" by using ratings numbers?
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Do you mean me? I just wanted to correct all the wrong information in this thread.

Obviously no one of you knew the real meaning of the chart. And some people in this thread wrote, that SGA was doing as bad or nearly as bad in its last season as SGU is doing now. That is just not true. SGA's ratings were a lot better.

When you compare ratings of two series, you should at least use correct information!
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So, let's see, using the new Live + 7 numbers

SGA season 5: 2.103 million viewers
SGU, season 1 average: 2.29 million viewers (not including episode 18 and 19)

It appears the Stargate franchise actually gained viewers going from the final season of SGA going into the first season of SGU using the season long averages.

Not that I give jack about the ratings in terms of which is better. I enjoyed both of them enough to watch.

Mr Awe
 
Mr Awe said:
So, let's see, using the new Live + 7 numbers

SGA season 5: 2.103 million viewers
SGU, season 1 average: 2.29 million viewers (not including episode 18 and 19)

It appears the Stargate franchise actually gained viewers going from the final season of SGA going into the first season of SGU using the season long averages.

Not that I give jack about the ratings in terms of which is better. I enjoyed both of them enough to watch.

Mr Awe
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The live + 7 ratings don't include the ratings for episode 18 and 19. Those would bring the season average down. Look at the much more important live + SD ratings. The difference is smaller than 100,000 viewers. All in all SGU got in its first season nearly the same ratings as SGA got in its fifth season.

THAT IS PATHETIC!!!

SGU replaced SGA and was supposed to get much better ratings than a series in its fifth season, which got cancelled, because it was according to Brad Wright (executive producer) not successful enough! SGU got heavy promotion at the start of the series and it was a new series, so many people checked it out. The season 1 average is not lower thanks to the first few episodes before countless people gave up on it. Just look at the second half average of season 1. Only 1.4 million viewers live + SD. That is not what they wanted according to David Blue (Eli):

http://www.scifinow.co.uk/interviews/interview-david-blue/

We wanted to bring in more than just 1.6 million fans from Atlantis,...
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We want to keep the 1.6 million original fans and then add another 1.6 million on top of that.
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I would have liked to see his face, when he saw the ratings for season 2!

SGU is a failure from a ratings point of view. A lot of inexpensive shows on Syfy are getting better ratings than SGU in its current season.
 
MPH said:
Starbreaker said:
None of these ratings mean jackshit. The show has to get the funds from advertisements to continue airing. People have to watch live in order to do that.
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The thing is not alot of people do that anymore as viewing habits have changed and with the ease of DVR recording Universe is a show that would be recorded and watched at a later date.
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Advertisers only care that viewers watch ads. Nobody really cares if people watch the show because nobody pays for that, well, maybe some from cable subscriptions, but ads are still the vast majority of TV's revenue stream, All that hulu etc new media stuff is still just a tiny percentage of the total and won't save a show from cancellation.

I think advertisers count ads to some degree if they're watched w/n three days of initial airing. Many ads will expire if not watched quickly; movie ads on Thursdays targetting weekend box office, that sort of thing. So it really does matter that ads are watched quickly and of course it matters greatly that ads are watched at all; advertisers know that DVR viewers zap ads. Why should they pay for ads that aren't watched? I wouldn't pay if I were them.
 
Cake said:
The difference is smaller than 100,000 viewers. All in all SGU got in its first season nearly the same ratings as SGA got in its fifth season.

THAT IS PATHETIC!!!

SGU replaced SGA and was supposed to get much better ratings than a series in its fifth season, which got cancelled, because it was according to Brad Wright (executive producer) not successful enough! .
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Okaaay. I guess if I was the producer making that decision I'd be concerned but I just watch the shows. And, it really seems consistent with the franchise fatigue syndrom that Trek went through. It's just going to be hard to boost the ratings at this point. Most people just get tired of a franchise and move on at some point. It's very hard to get them back.

So, maybe thinking that a new series would boost ratings was a fallacy but I enjoyed SGA and SGU, so really it's no skin off my teeth. I hope it gets good enough ratings to continue, that's my only concern.

All in all, I wouldn't take it so personally.

Mr Awe
 
Cake said:
Mr Awe said:
So, let's see, using the new Live + 7 numbers

SGA season 5: 2.103 million viewers
SGU, season 1 average: 2.29 million viewers (not including episode 18 and 19)

It appears the Stargate franchise actually gained viewers going from the final season of SGA going into the first season of SGU using the season long averages.

Not that I give jack about the ratings in terms of which is better. I enjoyed both of them enough to watch.

Mr Awe
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The live + 7 ratings don't include the ratings for episode 18 and 19. Those would bring the season average down. Look at the much more important live + SD ratings. The difference is smaller than 100,000 viewers. All in all SGU got in its first season nearly the same ratings as SGA got in its fifth season.

THAT IS PATHETIC!!!

SGU replaced SGA and was supposed to get much better ratings than a series in its fifth season, which got cancelled, because it was according to Brad Wright (executive producer) not successful enough! SGU got heavy promotion at the start of the series and it was a new series, so many people checked it out. The season 1 average is not lower thanks to the first few episodes before countless people gave up on it. Just look at the second half average of season 1. Only 1.4 million viewers live + SD. That is not what they wanted according to David Blue (Eli):

http://www.scifinow.co.uk/interviews/interview-david-blue/

We wanted to bring in more than just 1.6 million fans from Atlantis,...
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We want to keep the 1.6 million original fans and then add another 1.6 million on top of that.
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I would have liked to see his face, when he saw the ratings for season 2!

SGU is a failure from a ratings point of view. A lot of inexpensive shows on Syfy are getting better ratings than SGU in its current season.
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There really isn't much to say.
It would hurt me to hear this too...if I liked the show...but I could never like show. That being the case it's clear they haven't achieved their objective. Time to put that horse down.
 
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