Starfleet Uniforms TNG Era

[Matt]

The design notes for the DS9 uniforms state that they were going for a "work suit" look, because the original story plan for DS9 was to be rebuilding the station.

They finished that in two episodes though, didn't they?

Of course they wanted everything to look different and new in comparison to TNG.

If you see the other concept uniforms, you should be glad they used the ones they did, even though they're uninspired and bland.

But lets not over think things... Remember "It's Only A Paper Moon" ? Nog gets a holographic tuxedo from Vic Fontaine, and he walks off the holosuite with the suit still on. Makes no sense. That's as bad as Wesley being soaked in EAFP.

 

[Timo]

Why wouldn't that make sense? The holodecks are known to replicate things that are to be intimately handled, or perpetuated past the end of the program - say, food or snowballs or certain pieces of paper... Furthermore, Vic knows he is a hologram on a holoprogram in a holosuite. If he's gonna give Nog a gift, he will make sure it is replicated and not merely a forcefield construct.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Michael]

Timo said:
Why wouldn't that make sense? The holodecks are known to replicate things that are to be intimately handled, or perpetuated past the end of the program - say, food or snowballs or certain pieces of paper... Furthermore, Vic knows he is a hologram on a holoprogram in a holosuite. If he's gonna give Nog a gift, he will make sure it is replicated and not merely a forcefield construct.

Yep, I was always understanding it the same way. Some things on the holodeck are merely holograms and some are replicated.

But if this is true, I'm wondering how this could happen (from "The Big Goodbye"):

In my understanding they should not be able to leave the holodeck for a second. Yet here they go out of it and start to dematerialize. How is that going? (I mean, yes, it has a dramatic purpose -- but I'm talking about an in-universe explanation.)

I'd expect holograms to vanish instantly as they leave the holodeck. Like in this case (from "Ship In A Bottle"):

Am I putting to much thought into it?

 

[votd]

That always bothered me too (the mobsters walking out) - because surely it's the computer program manipulating the hologram - the hologram doesn't have a mind of it's own so why would they continue to walk and talk outside the computers holo projector range?

 

[Timo]

Hmm... Wasn't the whole point of the episode that this particular holoprogram DID have a mind of its own? That is, due to the malfunctions, the characters of the program began acting as if they were sentient people, and the holodeck provided the characters with the necessary resources for that.

No doubt the holodeck as such is quite sentient or capable of humanoid-like sentience, and only lets a little bit of it show through specific characters when required. Here it let through more than it should have.

It was operating outside intended parameters in other respects as well, such as having the safeties on a wrong setting. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if the programming was also askew in such a manner that it would desperately try and provide the Redblock character with the means of operating as a "real person", far beyond what the holodeck would normally "bother" to do.

In normal conditions, the holoprojectors would quit working right at the doorway, thanks to a software setting. In these exceptional conditions, they would try and extend their forcefields out through the doorway because they were obsessed to do so. Hardware limits would cut that attempt short a few meters past the door, as we witnessed. But the hardware as such would be quite capable of projecting, say, a snowball or one of Sherlock Holmes' books a few meters past the door if the programming allowed.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[votd]

I quite like that idea; the software malfunctioning and pushing the projectors beyond their specs

 

[AJBryant]

I think the capability and function of the hardware would override *anything* the software was doing.

I mean... damn, man. It's basic physics.

Tony

 

[Timo]

Well, doh. But I don't see anything wrong with the idea that the hardware could produce 76% good imagery at distance X from the doors, and 90% good imagery at the smaller distance Y, and the software would normally limit all imagery to indoors where the quality is assured at 100%.

I mean, that's actually more realistic than assuming that the functionality of the hologenerators cuts off knife-sharp at the door.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Data Holmes]

Timo said:
Well, doh. But I don't see anything wrong with the idea that the hardware could produce 76% good imagery at distance X from the doors, and 90% good imagery at the smaller distance Y, and the software would normally limit all imagery to indoors where the quality is assured at 100%.

I mean, that's actually more realistic than assuming that the functionality of the hologenerators cuts off knife-sharp at the door.

Timo Saloniemi

Absolutely. I always took the book flashing out like that as a safety feature. Given he threw the book at the open door, the computer safety protocols caused it to 'snap' off so it wouldn't hit anyone walking in the corridor.