News Starfleet Academy Coming to P+

[evilchumlee]

They wouldn't invest the money if they didn't think it would work.

Yes. Of course. Although entertainment executives are not always the most in-tune people. Lest we forget UPN wanting to add random boy bands to ENT each week... somebody thought that would work, too.

Not to mention VOY "Threshold" was written, greenlit, produced, filmed, post-productioned, and aired... and "They" thought "Yeah, this is definitely going to work."

 

[Farscape One]

There are FAR better examples to use than "THRESHOLD" (from just VOY alone), which if you take out the last 5 minutes, it is a very solid episode.

How about "THE FIGHT"? Or "FALSE PROFITS"? Or "FAVORITE SON"? Or "SPIRIT FOLK"? Or "FURY"?

 

[evilchumlee]

How about "THE FIGHT"? Or "FALSE PROFITS"? Or "FAVORITE SON"? Or "SPIRIT FOLK"? Or "FURY"?

What was wrong with "False Profits"?

The rest... yeah, meh. Although I didn't mind "Fury" myself. The other three I wouldn't even call "bad", they're just not particularly interesting.

 

[fireproof78]

There are FAR better examples to use than "THRESHOLD" (from just VOY alone), which if you take out the last 5 minutes, it is a very solid episode.

How about "THE FIGHT"? Or "FALSE PROFITS"? Or "FAVORITE SON"? Or "SPIRIT FOLK"? Or "FURY"?

All very bad episodes, in my view. The Ferengi over the top antics and Janeway's response is crazy, Favorite Son is just bizarre, and Fury is not one I care to revisit.

 

[Farscape One]

What was wrong with "False Profits"?

The rest... yeah, meh. Although I didn't mind "Fury" myself. The other three I wouldn't even call "bad", they're just not particularly interesting.

While I know the two Ferengi from "The Price" basically was ripe for a followup for VOY, it was just a terrible episode.

The 'almost got home' trope already wore thin before this point. And the crew looked like complete idiots for letting those two Ferengi escape.

 

[cooleddie74]

There are FAR better examples to use than "THRESHOLD" (from just VOY alone), which if you take out the last 5 minutes, it is a very solid episode.

How about "THE FIGHT"? Or "FALSE PROFITS"? Or "FAVORITE SON"? Or "SPIRIT FOLK"? Or "FURY"?

I liked "False Profits." But yeah, the others either suck or REALLY, REALLY suck.

 

[Quinton]

Every time I revisit “Threshold” I’m reminded that it isn’t just a legendarily dumb episode. It’s also boring the whole way through until that nuts end.

Boring is the worst.

 

[Farscape One]

Every time I revisit “Threshold” I’m reminded that it isn’t just a legendarily dumb episode. It’s also boring the whole way through until that nuts end.

Boring is the worst.

Boring is possibly the worst thing that something in entertainment can be. But there are definitely much more boring episodes.

"The Masterpiece Society", "PRODIGAL DAUGHTER", "11:59", "NATURAL LAW", "THE CROSSING", "HORIZON"... every series has episodes that are far, FAR more boring than "THRESHOLD".

 

[cooleddie74]

"Cost of Living(TNG)" has a few fun Alexander and Worf moments but that is one of the most boring TNG episodes.

 

[The Old Mixer]

"The Alternative Factor" and "Masks" both have a history of repeatedly inducing unconsciousness for me.

 

[fireproof78]

I enjoy both episodes better than much of VOY.

 

[Farscape One]

I absolutely love "Masks"!

"THE ALTERNATIVE FACTOR", however... the episode was a mess. (Robert Brown gave great performances, though.)

 

[eschaton]

False Profits is an interesting episode, because it shows even though DS9 figured out how to "do the Ferengi right" none of the lessons translated to VOY, which fell right into doing them as cackling caricatures like in bargain-basement TNG episodes.

To bring it back on topic, I know the Ferengi are in Starfleet by the 32nd century. I simultaneously hope and dread seeing them again. Hope because it would be cool as hell to see what they evolve into. Dread because modern Trek has been really bad at depicting distinct cultures. I actually prefer the Berman era of Flanderization to alien cultures that have no notable distinctive traits whatsoever.

 

[Jedman67]

Academy is getting the biggest Star Trek set in history, they are using ALL of Pinewood studios, it sounds like they are going to BUILD Starfleet Academy in in Toronto .

They are building one massive set that is taking up [one of] the largest stage in the studio. Which means the classrooms and atrium and central hall are all one large set, much like the Promenade from DS9 - I don't remember if all of Quarks was built into the Promenade or if they had a separate interior.

I hope they can recreate at least part of the Tillman grounds

 

[eschaton]

https://www.slashfilm.com/1549827/s...-single-largest-star-trek-tv-series-set-ever/

Academy is getting the biggest Star Trek set in history, they are using ALL of Pinewood studios, it sounds like they are going to BUILD Starfleet Academy in in Toronto .

I wonder if this is the first time Toronto has stood in for San Fransico, its been New York and Chicago plenty, among other cities in northern States, maybe LA too, even rarely Toronto plays Toronto itself, but I think this might be the first time the city of Toronto plays San Fransico.

Wish I could find good dimensions for the Prominade on DS9 to compare to this, since it's the only thing Trek did that was comparable (as most of the core sets, other than ops, corridors, private quarters, and the holding cells were integrated into into it).

The core structure doesn't sound too different from the Prominade, TBH. A multi-story structure with catwalks. Sounds roomier, though.

 

[Tuskin38]

Wish I could find good dimensions for the Prominade on DS9 to compare to this,

Well it occupied the entirety of Stage 17 which is 186 feet wide and 68 feet across, give or take however big the space to the walls are.
https://www.paramountstudios.com/stage-17.html

 

[UssGlenn]

But business-end be damned, this is great. I was just recently talking about something similar in regards to the new Ghostbusters movie, how far too many visual media projects today lack "movie magic" to so speak. There's no magic, no "how the hell did they do that?"... CGI.

Sort of ironic you picked Frozen Empire for that example. They built an enormous amount of stuff practically for that movie. Full interiors for both Ghostbusters facilities, and an exterior that actually connects to the ground floor interior of the Firehouse. The shattering people in the opener was a practical effect, with wax and a special cracked resin, collapsed with wires. Or at least that's what they claimed in the behind the scenes material, they only showed a small prototype.

 

[evilchumlee]

Sort of ironic you picked Frozen Empire for that example. They built an enormous amount of stuff practically for that movie.

Oh that was a deliberate mention specifically for that. In an era where just everything in CG, they actually MADE things, down the smallest detail. Business cards on Janine's old desk have names, phone numbers, etc. Stuff we would never see, but somehow we feel it.

 

[bdub76]

Trying to wrap my arms around this show. How doesn’t this become a CW show in space?

 

[fireproof78]

Trying to wrap my arms around this show. How doesn’t this become a CW show in space?

Focusing on training, ships and learning rather than the relationship of the week.