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She'll either be the Commandant or one of the teachers.
Yeah, possibly a teacher or a Pelia-like mentor role to Cadets.
It's not a period piece, but functionally should be treated as such. It's an IP with a shared universe presented in a visual medium. Given that, there should be every attempt made to ensure consistency, otherwise that shared universe aspect falls apart.
Some might not care about that. Some do. I'm in the the "do" camp. The shared universe is one of my favorite aspects of Star Trek. It's what makes Trek truly unique. Take all of that away and it's just of generic sci-fi, which is a dime a dozen.
Except, it's not. The optimistic viewpoint of humanity was what made Trek truly unique. Saying the shared continuity is the only unique thing to Trek is really undermining the initial premise.
Why? I don't understand this point of view. It's not a period piece because there is not historical foundation to the structure. I cannot look up a fact book on The Original Series and find out what all the things do. There is only supposition, and potential retcons of their function. This is the difference to me of treating Trek as a period piece-there's no real history to latch on to to ground it in.
Strong disagree on this point because then the setting because the most important thing, not the characters. The shared universe can be made to work if one is willing to utilize other Trek knowledge to work within it, including workarounds like Parallels. To me, that's always been Trek as a multiverse style, between Lazarus, the MU, and TMP that has been my attitude, that the events transpired but look differently due to different timelines.
If I can accept the Mirror Universe, and other such parallel timelines, this is not hard to swallow. Trek as a period piece is.
No, it shows Bernd gets mad about the new contradictions but accepts all the ones he grew up with.
To some, and I largely agree with that ALSO being a defining trait although I believe that has largely been lost as well.
But you CAN look up a fact book on The Original Series to find out what all things look like. There IS a historical foundation to the structure, it's just... fictional history. As it is part of a shared universe, TOS *IS* history in comparison to TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, etc. Within it's universe, it is very much history and it's effortless to know exactly what things like, and many of the events that occured.
Both play off each other. I don't only care about the setting and I don't only care about the characters. I care about it all. It's all important.
It absolutely can.
Paramount, thus far, is unwilling to do that. I am absolutely willing... damn near begging... for DSC and SNW to be treated as an alternate timeline. Have been since S1E1 of DSC.
Paramount disagrees.
Really? So we can know all the events of each characters lives, the family members, the intricacies of how the equipment worked and such? Because, I'm sure we don't. Hell, Uhura doesn't have a first name. We don't have as much history as people thing. It is, as you note, made up. Yet we object when more made up stuff is added to the made up stuff.
The setting is the future, with the same items there: warp speed, transporter, phasers. How do phasers work? They vary from show to film to show.
Who cares what Paramount thinks? I'm not sitting in my house watching a show going, "Hmmm...what does Paramount think?" Hell, I don't even treat Trek as all one big thing while watching it. TOS is one thing, TNG another, DS9 still another, and I practically ignore VOY and ENT. These things are treated differently, and that's why I do it. They are not consistent enough for me to go "Yes, it all fits together."
Mileage will vary.
Also, do we eliminate TWOK, TUC and TAS because Gene didn't like it and disagreed?
At some point in time these lines become extreme arbitrary in their black and white declarations.
Hardly in my humble view. It does what stories have always done especially in TOS: it challenges that optimism rather than just assuming it as a base state.
I like Holly Hunter. This is good casting.
Apologies if we're going to be pedantic.
It's not a "universe". It is a work of fiction presented within a shared continuity.
Mycenean Greece IS a historical period, and... we can't do what you said. Hell, some of the intricacies of the Saturn V rocket are somewhat unknown.
I don't care how they work. I care how they are presented.
Paramount?
That's the thing. I do... and one of the reasons I watch all of these and enjoy them as much as I do is precisely because they are all one big thing. That's the draw.
But to expand. Not only do I enjoy watching them, I enjoy discussing this work of fiction presented within a shared continuity. In order to have reasonable discussions, there needs to be a common understanding on what the discussion is about. If we're all talking about how own personal version of Star Trek, it's all just irrelevant.
Yes it is, Trek being a period piece set in the future, was one of the most insightful things Berman ever said. Lucas took the same approach to Star Wars (a long time ago...), and it's one of the reasons why both properties have lasted so long when other properties (it's the 1980s, but in the future!) have faded into obscurity.
I had to look up IMDB. She's the jar of piss senator from Batman V Superman
No, it's a fictional TV series.
And genuinely, as long as you take them as television stories, they fit together really well. You have to suspend your disbelief, same as with Marvel, Doctor Who, X-Men and every other one ever made. That's all.
Of course SNW is more reboot than prequel, but you play along. Otherwise you're wondering where the music comes from and getting mad there's sound in space and that the ships don't act even slightly as if they're in vacuum.
But I can learn more about Greece. I can study it and make a living out of it and figure what was the intent behind a person's history. Hell, I can read letters from people from ancient Rome, and we have shopping lists, legal contracts, etc.
I cannot do that with Star Trek.
Depends on which series you are watching. I mean, TSFS has one of my favorite effects but it hardly feels consistent with the previous films or TOS.
Since I don't work for them, or having any connection to them, their opinion means very little,
But, that is the point. It is relevant because we should be trying to connect with each other and our different perspectives, not enforcing one unified view of Star Trek. The common understanding is:
With all the limits that brings with it.
I am still mad about the music.
Yes! Presence and gravitas for sure. Of course, the writing will determine a lot but she will have the ability to elevate the material.
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