Spoilers Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Grading & Discussion
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I have no dog in this race. Casual American fan, loved SW in the 70s/80s, big box full of Starlogs, but into Trek, read one SW novel. Saw each PT and ST once. Loved TFA btw.
Respectfully, I fundamentally agree.
JJ can say whatever.
Ep 8 and 9 are just WAY different in tone, theme, and feel. It's just so obvious to me. And I actually defended 9 to detractors, reminding them, yknow, it's Star Wars, not Citizen Kane. I disliked the obvious course change, but wanted to like the film. (It was great spectacle!)
But to deny there is a difference in tone, theme, and feel . . . it's like denying the earth is getting hotter, regardless the cause. Sometimes a thing just is, and ya gotta face facts.
So you think JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson have the same directing style? So you could watch Looper, and Mission Impossible III wouldn't be able to tell that they were directed by different people?
Johnson and Abrams couldn't be more different.
Differences in style to not and have never equaled discontinuity or a lack of cohesion.
I'm rewatching the movie right now, and it's making me wish - more than ever before - that I could go back in time and change aspects of my reaction when the plot leaked online, because it definitely doesn't deserve the frustration and disappointment that I expressed about it.
I'm rewatching the movie right now, and it's making me wish - more than ever before - that I could go back in time and change aspects of my reaction when the plot leaked online, because it definitely doesn't deserve the frustration and disappointment that I expressed about it.
Yup. I mean, by the arguments Kershner's entry is completely disparate and doesn't line up with Star Wars.
Except the differences go beyond just their directing style. They have entirely different approaches to storytelling (And everything that encompasses.) The most obvious example is Abrams's mystery boxing compared to Johnson's "straight shooting."
That doesn't make the Sequel Trilogy films discontinuitous or lacking in narrative cohesion.
Also, Abrams did not shroud either of his two SW films in as much mystery as people claim.
The only mystery boxes I can recall is Luke's lightsaber and Maz's "a good story for another time" and Rey's parents, and the later was a part of the narrative so not really mysterious, beyond the fan speculation that led to fan theory that led to expectations that led to disappointment and frustration at Abrams because he was the punching bag.
A throwaway line doesn't constitute a mystery to be solved, and with a rewatch of the full Saga freshly completed, I can bluntly say that the only "mystery boxes" that exist in regards to the Sequel Trilogy exist solely in fans' minds.
I do think fans bring it on themselves.
I'm listening to The Ringer's Binge Mode: Star Wars podcast discussion of The Rise of Skywalker right now and while I disagree with a lot of hosts Mallory Rubin and Jason Concepcion's perspectives on the film based on what we know was actually happening behind-the-scenes thanks to "making of" material, they've thus far been much more positive than many other critical reviews.
Following on from my previous post, Mallory and Jason's full discussion about The Rise of Skywalker is a stellar example of how to be critical without being negative and toxic, and I have to give them a lot of credit for expressing their thoughts in a civil manner without being dismissive or condescending.
Well, I hopefully found the right podcast and will be giving it a shot.
I never said they did, like I said before, my issues isn't even so much with the fact that Johnson's style is different from Abrams, it's the yo-yo effect of going from Abrams to Johnson and then back to Abrams. I would have been perfectly happy if they had stuck with the original plan, and had different directors for each movie, because then each one would have had a different style and tone, rather than the yo-yoing we got.
I'm purely talking about the mechanics of the movies, completely setting aside anything related to the narrative side.
^ Hmm.
I disagree that going from Abrams b kj
I disagree that going from Abrams b kj
I will say this: for all my problems with TROS and I have a LOT the one brilliant move I like is J.J. redeeming Palpatine's bloodline and truly excising the Sith by making the Emperor's and Darth Sidious' granddaughter a Skywalker. The movie is a mess but damn....in hindsight Rey being Palpatine's granddaughter and not only embracing the Light Side but becoming a Skywalker as well as the last remaining Jedi is the ultimate defeat of Sidious and his plans.
Killing his original body and toppling his Empire are one thing but redeeming his bloodline as you wipe him once and for all from existence is the true defeat he had coming ever since he staged the blockade of Naboo.
Killing his original body and toppling his Empire are one thing but redeeming his bloodline as you wipe him once and for all from existence is the true defeat he had coming ever since he staged the blockade of Naboo.
The act still happened. How many people after the Battle of Endor knew that Darth Vader had been former Jedi Knight and hero Anakin Skywalker?
