Hmm...
Of course, I fully expect there to be some rationalization why this is okay and TRoS isn't.
Spoilers Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Grading & Discussion
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Hmm...
Of course, I fully expect there to be some rationalization why this is okay and TRoS isn't.
The wife and I, just finished season one of Star Wars Lego The Freemakers Adventures, which has a 12 year old Jedi wanna be on a mission to save the Galaxy, between Empire and Jedi. They chance on Mazz's bar, where Luke's light saber calls to the 12 year old. So Maz has maybe had that laser sword since right just after Empire.
The Freemakers are siblings, probably orphans, named Rowan, Zander and Kordie.
ZANDER and KORDIE.
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Well, God damn, I didn't know you spoke for all black and half-black folks on the planet...
You know, I don't see your complaints with the character, but they are your complaints which are what they are. Though maybe they'd get more traction if you and others weren't constantly slinging shit at these films trying to get anything to stick to them.
Peace.
There are apparently Naboo Starfighters in the final battle
https://twitter.com/aviixeart/status/1211823738628370437?s=21
https://twitter.com/aviixeart/status/1211823738628370437?s=21
it's a fair point. There is dialogue in the scene.. only at the start. But the scene swells and ends with music and images.. .. a good minute or two at least from the last bit of dialogue. Lucas stated on the commentaries that music in the motif on which the films end. I don't think (my opinion) TROS followed the traditionHmm...
Of course, I fully expect there to be some rationalization why this is okay and TRoS isn't.
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Well, all right, you've said the character is a coward. Here's was my showing the contrary. I guess you don't see that the character has ANYTHING to offer except being a complete buffoon.
NOW THIS IS PODRACING! WOOOO!!!
Because Disney is bad
Finally saw the movie. The moment Palpatine appeared, I thought, "Chaotica!" It all seemed too silly. Most of the rest bored me, save the attack on the star destroyer--it reminded me of the exaggerated version of the cavalry charge at Den Helder.
Granted I’ve only seen it once but aren’t there only two lines of dialogue at the end of TRoS, and the music also swells outside of the dialogue as the Force theme plays?
Because Disney is bad
Obviously!
Of course you don’t. You can’t say anything nice about the locus or your head will explode.
Things could be worse imagine if Disney owned Star Trek
Consistent productions, improved merchandising, Star Trek ride at Disneyland.
The horror...
I would be thrilled if Disney got a hold of Star Trek, and did for it what they did for Star Wars. Disney is pretty much the best thing to ever happen to Star Wars.
Palps had plenty of ships to begin retaking the galaxy a long time ago. And those ships all need crews...so...were they just chilling in the unknown regions for 30 years? Why not join the First Order years ago, and with planet killing weapons on Star Destroyers not many would put up a fight, especially with how weak the New Republic was portrayed.
Enjoyed the movie, but hard to unplug the old brain.
Enjoyed the movie, but hard to unplug the old brain.
Palpatine was a person who thrived on patience. He saw no reason to act until he did because there was no need to give up pieces if the First Order was already doing their job.
I am black, with two black parents, and I get exactly what Trek_God 1 is saying here when it comes to Finn. I was grating my teeth during Force Awakens as I watched him stumbling, bumbling, sweating, and chasing Rey, who clearly didn't need or want his help. And though The Last Jedi did a bit better by the character, he still had to first be taken down by Rose and then mostly led around by her, and she even stopped him from making his big sacrifice, and then planted a kiss on him, so he was a relatively weak character with no agency. I think Rise of Skywalker handled the character the best and I read behind-the-scenes that Boyega was pushing for them to do more with his character. He might never say it but I have to wonder if he realized how regressive the Finn character was, how it went back to old stereotypes, particularly when it came to black males (cowardly, incompetent, comical, fixated on white women) or media depictions (as maids, butlers, or the Magical Negro/Black Best Friend kind of tropes where black characters only exist to help the white main characters. That they have no interior lives of their own, no agency).
Disney certainly patted themselves on the back with the inclusion of Finn thinking that would be enough. But when it came to his depiction they went right into some of the worst stereotypes and it's strange they would do that, when most genre and other entertainment had refined the idea of the mostly neutered black best friend/supporting character. If Star Wars thought Finn would get more blacks, African-Americans in particular I'm thinking about here, more into Star Wars, the lackluster opening weekend numbers of black moviegoers was proof that Finn was not a draw. If anything, I could see that character pushing people away.
I've loved Star Wars since I was a kid, and I hated Jar Jar because I saw the stereotype behind the performance, but I could give Lucas this that he put it on an alien character, but there was no hiding with Finn. Basically Finn was a slave, a child soldier whose name was given to him by Dameron, and he never even disputed it and just rolled with it. He never picked out a last name for himself (to be fair, Rey didn't either, but her search for identity was very important to her character. With Finn he never seemed to be troubled about his origins or family). Even Finn's general rank was given to him by Dameron. The films never gave him much chance to use his First Order knowledge, to have that be what made him stand out. The punchline of making him a janitor (as opposed to say an engineer working on Starkiller Base) was too good for Disney not to use.
I also get why some non-blacks, or even some other black folks might not get why some blacks would have issues with Finn. It reminds me of a scene in a very good, but underrated film, Dragon, a Bruce Lee biopic. He's on a date with his soon-to-be wife and they are watching Breakfast at Tiffany's-if I'm correct-and everyone is laughing at Mickey Rooney's "Asian" character, including Lee's date. But there's a great moment when she looks over at him and sees how angry Rooney's depiction is making him, and just seeing that dawn of understanding, the empathy in her eyes, and she suggests they leave.
Living the experience, knowing the history, or being open to people who do, could perhaps open skeptics, who just see Finn as a fun-loving, fun character, as to why he might be problematic. Compare him to Mace Windu and Lando. Both were supporting characters, but both were depicted much better. There was subtle complexity to both characters and both were competent and bad ass in a way Finn could've been, but wasn't. And the lack of well-developed, or even black women with speaking roles in a Star Wars film (I got to give Disney Star Wars that much credit) is a whole other conversation.
When it comes to humor, how many times was the joke on Finn or he was the butt of the joke compared to Rey or Dameron? Finn was the comic relief far more than either of those characters. Perhaps Hux was the worst recipient of this kind of dismissive treatment, but you can put the destruction of the New Republic and the defeat of the Resistance in The Last Jedi, basically winning the galaxy, all while he was there, which makes him less of a joke than the films treated him as.
I've not been a fan of this sequel trilogy and the problematic depiction of Finn is a big part of that. I've kept going as a Star Wars fan, despite Finn, and also other things. When I was a kid I would've had no problem wanting to be or play Lando on a playground, and if I had been a kid when the prequels were out, no problem with Windu either. But who wants to be Finn?
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Snoke was sending endless TPS reports.
All that paper work dried up when Kylo Renn took over.
Consistent productions, improved merchandising, Star Trek ride at Disneyland.
The horror...
I guess that is a good thing. Trek would have a large home there I guess. I just don't like the huge behemoth Disney has become.
The Ghost from Rebels also shows up as well.
