Okay.
I think he was having a bit of fun with you.
Spoilers Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Grading & Discussion
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I think he was having a bit of fun with you.
Entertainment entertaining? Perish the thought!
Yeah, fair enough. I just don’t think getting sucked into plot holes is something that affects as many fans as is sometimes made out.
Generally? I would agree. Places like this, where fans congregate and go over these films with a microscope...
I agree, but these movies aren’t Hobbes and Shaw or something. That’s a movie that feels it was made for people to say ‘yeah, I turned my brain off and enjoyed it’. Star Wars isn’t some high concept movie, but it isn’t that either.
I like all the star wars movies, to different degrees.. Worst one for me was Rogue One.. Walked out the theatre thinking.. utter pile of poop.. but my opinion has gotten better as I have rewatched it.. Still the worst by my standards though.. Han Solo being the best of the new ones.
For me, its not nostalgia or fan wanking.. its.. Where are you going with this movie? Are you taking me to a new place? Different story?? or are you just regurgetating a past movie?
I equate it to Predator movie franchise.. the last one.. just a rehash of previous movies.. so to me it sucked.. Move the story along.. Take it to a differnt planet.. take it into the future.. something.. Terminator.. same way.. last one was just a retread of the first movie with a few plot points changed.. Same with Force Awakens.. a retread of A new hope.. Move the story along..
So I liked Last Jedi because... It was different.. it moved the story on..
So I hope that the next set of movies do something different!
For me, its not nostalgia or fan wanking.. its.. Where are you going with this movie? Are you taking me to a new place? Different story?? or are you just regurgetating a past movie?
I equate it to Predator movie franchise.. the last one.. just a rehash of previous movies.. so to me it sucked.. Move the story along.. Take it to a differnt planet.. take it into the future.. something.. Terminator.. same way.. last one was just a retread of the first movie with a few plot points changed.. Same with Force Awakens.. a retread of A new hope.. Move the story along..
So I liked Last Jedi because... It was different.. it moved the story on..
So I hope that the next set of movies do something different!
I don't recall suggesting it was.
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Yeah, I started taking the Roger Ebert approach some years ago, too. I remember when he started being more about the entertainment value than rigidly adhering to specific principles that no one else noticed. That doesn't mean just giving slipshod work a pass, but simply enjoying what is presented to you if it's done in good faith, and if you find it genuinely entertaining. That's how I approached the 2009 Star Trek film. As a result, I ended up loving the movie, and seeing it as a love note to the original series, and so I accepted that premise and took it for what it was. It's still one of my favorite films, and my (2nd) favorite Star Trek film.
Huh? That was Mustafar? Did he take the Sith tracker from Vader’s castle?
Maybe the planet has two seasons: Spring and lava.
They really are though.......just for a different crowd. Don't fool yourself.
I completely agree. And it sucks the fun out of it.
And no, not in a "turn your brain off and enjoy the ride" type of fun. I don't advocate that-at all. But, a recognition of what my perceptions are doing to impact my enjoyment of the film. It takes a bit of self-awareness that is challenging, at best.
Same here. I get a lot of sideways comments over it (not here) but that's my genuine move. No, I'm not going to compare the Star Wars movies. I'm not going to rate them (anymore). I'm going to note which ones I found entertaining and have the most rewatch value for me. And that's it.
Because I'm tired of this competitive nature for SW to always be "the best!" or whatever ridiculous standard gets applied nowaways. And if people are not entertained (and there will be people like that) that's OK too!
What did @Campe98 say?
Yeah, that. Because, if we keep taking this super serious (trademark pending) then eventually it will suck all the fun out of it...if we are not there already.
"THE DEAD SPEAK!"
Two things happened that I was afraid of: that they would pull a SPECTRE and make Palpatine the orchestrator of everything after the fact and that they'd walk back some stuff. I appreciate that they tried to minimize that with Rey, but they still made her of a "Saga" bloodline instead of just a "nobody" who happened to be powerful with the Force. And seriously, "that's not how the Force works!" ran through my head a LOT.
The fact that they just threw Palpatine in there in the crawl instead of leading to it over three movies makes this film less involving to me (he did a radio broadcast to reveal himself? WHY?). This trilogy never felt like a logical continuation of the saga and more more like "more episodes." The First Order seemed to just kind of exist and I would have rather seen the seeds of it growing in TFA and gain power at he end of TLJ. None of this was planned, however, so I'm surprised I liked this film as much as I did.
It was the very definition of "safe." Goofy fun with over the top cackling.
I know "fans" hated Rose as much as Jar Jar, but did she really need to be minimized to such an extent? Maz's "story for another time" must really be waiting for that other time.
(I don't read EU stories, so if it ain't in the theaters, it doesn't count)
If Carrie wasn't dead, they would have walked back Leia's death too.
John Williams really came through.
Avengers; Endgame did the "all the heroes come to save the lone dude" better than this did. Endgame brought me to tears. This film? Just chills, and that was because of the aforementioned John WIlliams.
This is the only SW film I don't have an urge to see in theaters again.
Two things happened that I was afraid of: that they would pull a SPECTRE and make Palpatine the orchestrator of everything after the fact and that they'd walk back some stuff. I appreciate that they tried to minimize that with Rey, but they still made her of a "Saga" bloodline instead of just a "nobody" who happened to be powerful with the Force. And seriously, "that's not how the Force works!" ran through my head a LOT.
The fact that they just threw Palpatine in there in the crawl instead of leading to it over three movies makes this film less involving to me (he did a radio broadcast to reveal himself? WHY?). This trilogy never felt like a logical continuation of the saga and more more like "more episodes." The First Order seemed to just kind of exist and I would have rather seen the seeds of it growing in TFA and gain power at he end of TLJ. None of this was planned, however, so I'm surprised I liked this film as much as I did.
It was the very definition of "safe." Goofy fun with over the top cackling.
I know "fans" hated Rose as much as Jar Jar, but did she really need to be minimized to such an extent? Maz's "story for another time" must really be waiting for that other time.
(I don't read EU stories, so if it ain't in the theaters, it doesn't count)
If Carrie wasn't dead, they would have walked back Leia's death too.
John Williams really came through.
Avengers; Endgame did the "all the heroes come to save the lone dude" better than this did. Endgame brought me to tears. This film? Just chills, and that was because of the aforementioned John WIlliams.
This is the only SW film I don't have an urge to see in theaters again.
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I can understand most of the complaints, even if I don't agree with them all.
I was firmly asleep by that point in Endgame.
I was firmly asleep by that point in Endgame.
I don't even have the motivation to watch Endgame now!I was firmly asleep by that point in Endgame.
Interesting.
The only objective standard is the one that should be expected: the level of creative quality/integrity set by the original films. They are the ground zero--the creation point for everything--prequels and sequels. It only focuses on the series, leaving out comparisons to any non-Star Wars film, yet to some, that is somehow "unfair" or they feel the need to drag down films that earned their celebrated status in order to lift up the sequels. This forum has endless examples of that patently defensive and less than honest behavior, and it never sells.
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Yes, the "taking it too seriously" line is nonsensical, as the films are not comedies or lighter material such as Back to the Future. Star Wars as a concept was never intended or produced to be seen that way, so the "taking it too seriously" line is a rather thin shield against the films living up to the heights of their own series, which any objective mind should expect.
We're all entitled to our opinion, but I think the issue here is nostalgia. We all hold the original trilogy up to some pretty high standards. Most of us were raised on these films. We grew up with them. Nothing anyone can do will match the continuing adventures we had in our heads as kids or we really liked the EU or we had our own idea of what should come next. Its an impossible standard to compare any prequel or sequel to because nothing will ever match it. The truth of the matter is: I love these movies. Every single one of them. I can be critical of them in the same breath, because all of them, even the original trilogy is simply a series of popcorn movies. They are imperfect. A New Hope is my favorite movie of all time. Hands down. It is the one film that I can watch again and again and again and just be sucked into the story every time. That does not mean me being critical is "dragging [it] down." It means I can look at the film through both a nostalgic and critical eye and see them as I did when I was 3 or as I am when I'm 40.
I never got into the fan edits scene but I'd be glad to watch someone's splice of these three into a sensible story.
Also now that the Palps cat is out of the bag, you could retread another thing uniquely Star Wars and rename the films. Slap a .66 to the end of each episode.
Then restart with Georgie's scripts.
ETA We're now missing a RotJ special edition that shows a piece of DSII surviving
Also now that the Palps cat is out of the bag, you could retread another thing uniquely Star Wars and rename the films. Slap a .66 to the end of each episode.
Then restart with Georgie's scripts.
ETA We're now missing a RotJ special edition that shows a piece of DSII surviving
They could only leave the planet's atmosphere with the tower that they destroyed. They destroyed the tower, and then the command ship before the ships were able to leave the atmosphere.
