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Spoilers Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Grading & Discussion
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DAMNIT! It's okay. The office Christmas party was a few hours ago. I found cookies!
No doubt about it - Webber outdid himself with that one. This musical might as well be an opera - hell, maybe in 200 years it will be considered one!
Outta all his stuff I wish they had done JCS......Norman Jewison version is just so dated and was very minimal to begin with. Anyway back on topic of how JJ is the anti-Christ.I honestly find a lot of Andrew Lloyd Weber's works unpalatable. Cats is the worst offender. But that's just my opinion. ()
Foiled again!DAMNIT! It's okay. The office Christmas party was a few hours ago. I found cookies!
Given how much I just listen to the music I think you might be on to something.
JJ: Anti-Christ Superstar. Coming to Broadway soonAnyway back on topic of how JJ is the anti-Christ.
I am a terrible musical theater fan but I have actually never seen it. I know, @fireproof78 ! I know! I will never get cookies now. LOL!
Anywho, The Rise of Skywalker, huh?
Jim Vejvoda at IGN has posted his review, here's his summary from the end:
He gave it a 7 out of 10. I think the fact that he still rated it that high, despite the issue he had with it, is actually a pretty good sign.
I think my wife has it. If not, which version? Looking on Spotify there's at least a Canadian and Broadway. I imagine there's a London version too?
ETA: Nevermind, looks like its the London version.
Yup, the London version. Had to look too. I had a cassette tape and its the 1987 version that I enjoy the most.
It's been done better since.
Two questions here:
1. Instead of resorting to retconning, could the writers for the third film work from what was given in the second film and expand upon it?
2. I believed there was supplementary reading material to bridge the gap between film 8 and film 9. Is this material necessary to understand the film?
1. Instead of resorting to retconning, could the writers for the third film work from what was given in the second film and expand upon it?
2. I believed there was supplementary reading material to bridge the gap between film 8 and film 9. Is this material necessary to understand the film?
I know it's not the same as seeing it live, but The Phantom of the Opera at Royal Albert Hall, a recorded version which was filmed during a big 25th Anniversary show, is really good. I watched when it was on Netflix, and really enjoyed it. Just don't watch the movie, it wasn't very good.
I went to a midnight screening this morning here in Australia and as Someone who HATED the last jedi, I thought this film was a vast improvement. There are still a lot of issues in terms of pacing and some parts of the story/script still feel very first draft and a bit amateurish. It also does feel like two films smushed together and as a result some very interesting additions to star wars lore get a bit brushed over. There are also some new characters introduced who are pretty bland and only there to be either a love interest or progress the plot and they become little more than ciphers
The highlights for me were everything with palpatine and the delving into sith lore. Richard E. Grant's General Pryde should have been the main first order villain from the start. He's so menacing and cut throat and very competent at his job and a spiritual successor to tarkin. I loved every moment of Grant chewing the scenario. Also, I loved the conclusion to Rey's story.
If anyone wants specifics feel free to pm.
The highlights for me were everything with palpatine and the delving into sith lore. Richard E. Grant's General Pryde should have been the main first order villain from the start. He's so menacing and cut throat and very competent at his job and a spiritual successor to tarkin. I loved every moment of Grant chewing the scenario. Also, I loved the conclusion to Rey's story.
If anyone wants specifics feel free to pm.
Until you see the film, you won't know if this is actually the case.
I, for instance, had no issues with TLJ, I liked it overall. Reading reviews that they are retconning it in some way, feels like they (Disney) are caving into toxic fandom in order to chase that extra dollar from all the people who were butt hurt after last movie. It's not like Disney is hurting for cash. But I will reserve final judgement of the product once I see the film. Maybe this weekend, maybe around Christmas.
Professional critics don't like it? Now I REALLY can't wait to see it.The biggest complaint I see is that it gives too much "fanservice." Well guess what? Fans are the ones who made this franchise what it is and kept it going for thirty years. It wasn't critics who prefer boring, artsy fartsy garbage like Annie Hall.
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So i just came back and here are my thoughts in no particular order (some heavy spoilers of course)
Life will go on if you haven't seen the movie, it suffers from a general badly planned trilogy (if planned at all) so it has the unenviable task of bringing it all together and giving it a good sendoff - something the movie doesn't quite achieve but also couldn't due to all the mess that came before.
- Using Palpatine was the biggest weak point.. he just appears out of the blue, corny villian twirling his mustache and going "Ha! It was me all along!" - it just doesn't work, at all. Abrams may have planned the end differently but since Johnson killed off Snoke like a chump he had to scramble and go back to well
- it plays it too safe - in the middle we are led to believe Rey kills Chewbacca by accidentally hitting his transport with Force Lightning - a mere 2 minutes later it is revealed that there were actually 2 transporters and Chewbacca survived
- Plot holes galore.. just one example: Palpatine manages to build a gigantic Star Destroyer fleet (seems like 100+ SDs). Where do the ressources come from and most important - the crews? The movie doesn't care and apparently only wanted the visual (which admittedly looked cool)
- The Force can now apparently beam objects across distances
- movie looks very stunning i have to say, great set pieces
- Chewbacca breaking down after he hears about Leia's death was heartbreaking
- they actually kept the appearance of Harrison Ford a secret! That was one of the cool moments (Luke reappearing as a Force Ghost was also cool but then again it seemed Hamill was always a little closer to the fandom than Ford)
Ultimately the new trilogy never managed to find its own story, it always went back to the generous source that was the original trilogy and using its elements to satisfy the fans. While it may have been ok for the first movie as a sort of transition they should have cut the cord with the next movies but didn't.
What killed the trilogy however was the apparent lack of true plan for the trilogy.. what does it want to say, what should the general story be and what was it about? New Star Wars should have taken a clue from the way the Marvel movies were organized and planned.. some things took 22 movies to pay off but when they did it was glorious.
The MCU approach may have been a little restricting for directors and creative writers as they had to work within the confines of the larger story but ultimately all the elements came together to form something larger.
So yeah.. i hope Disney learns from this and adapts. Find a true showrunner who maps this all out Feige or JMS style and keeps control over it instead of wandering off to do other things and maybe then you will have both a commercial and critics/fandom hit.
Life will go on if you haven't seen the movie, it suffers from a general badly planned trilogy (if planned at all) so it has the unenviable task of bringing it all together and giving it a good sendoff - something the movie doesn't quite achieve but also couldn't due to all the mess that came before.
- Using Palpatine was the biggest weak point.. he just appears out of the blue, corny villian twirling his mustache and going "Ha! It was me all along!" - it just doesn't work, at all. Abrams may have planned the end differently but since Johnson killed off Snoke like a chump he had to scramble and go back to well
- it plays it too safe - in the middle we are led to believe Rey kills Chewbacca by accidentally hitting his transport with Force Lightning - a mere 2 minutes later it is revealed that there were actually 2 transporters and Chewbacca survived
- Plot holes galore.. just one example: Palpatine manages to build a gigantic Star Destroyer fleet (seems like 100+ SDs). Where do the ressources come from and most important - the crews? The movie doesn't care and apparently only wanted the visual (which admittedly looked cool)
- The Force can now apparently beam objects across distances
- movie looks very stunning i have to say, great set pieces
- Chewbacca breaking down after he hears about Leia's death was heartbreaking
- they actually kept the appearance of Harrison Ford a secret! That was one of the cool moments (Luke reappearing as a Force Ghost was also cool but then again it seemed Hamill was always a little closer to the fandom than Ford)
Ultimately the new trilogy never managed to find its own story, it always went back to the generous source that was the original trilogy and using its elements to satisfy the fans. While it may have been ok for the first movie as a sort of transition they should have cut the cord with the next movies but didn't.
What killed the trilogy however was the apparent lack of true plan for the trilogy.. what does it want to say, what should the general story be and what was it about? New Star Wars should have taken a clue from the way the Marvel movies were organized and planned.. some things took 22 movies to pay off but when they did it was glorious.
The MCU approach may have been a little restricting for directors and creative writers as they had to work within the confines of the larger story but ultimately all the elements came together to form something larger.
So yeah.. i hope Disney learns from this and adapts. Find a true showrunner who maps this all out Feige or JMS style and keeps control over it instead of wandering off to do other things and maybe then you will have both a commercial and critics/fandom hit.
This isn't a plothole; this is you not being aware of parts of Palpatine's history.
