True. How very convenient for the one main character snatched up.
Spoilers Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Grading & Discussion
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Yup. That's why you send the red shirts first...duh.True. How very convenient for the one main character snatched up.
True. How very convenient for the one main character snatched up.
Well that had not long eaten two gangs and the rest of Han's original crew. Presumably there's a limit to how much even a rathtar can consume at once.
So she didn't really do anything that exceptional then.
Don't get insulting when someone disagrees, please. Even injured he should have no problem with someone without training. And I maintain my opinion that Kylo's not portrayed as overly powerful, no matter what they want you to believe. He's (especially given the opinion that he's 10 years older than Rey) more of an adolescent, prone to fits of pubescent anger etc. I still don't see where his marvelous power is supposed to be, given what Luke and Rey (and Leia) are able to do. The only thing worth mentioning are his mind manipulating powers, but even those Rey could withstand. And Snoke? Apparently he served his purpose in the story, so he had to go - that he didn't sense Kylo's intentions speaks louder to his own overconfidence than to Kylo's abilities.
Are you kidding me? That the force isn't rational is a given. I meant magic in that you suddenly survive things that should kill you like vacuum of space. Jedi still could die if overpowered, they're not gods, but still living breathing beings. Remember the Jedi Purges? Why didn't these fully trained Jedi in their prime, supposedly the strongest in the Order, just throw up shields when the clones attacked them? The attack came just as out of a sudden as Leia suddenly finding herself in space. And if you even remove the need for training then you turn the force-wielders into some kind of invincible beings (and make it easy for story-tellers: just invent some new force-ability deus-ex-machina solution).
Somehow it's reminiscent of what went wrong in the PT: Back then, Lucas made the mistake to concentrate on CGI rather than on characterization and human stories. Now it's the same with previously unseen force-powers. They're used to cover up the lack of characterization and plot-holes.
Because the principle message of TLJ, that it only matters what you're fighting for... well, we already had that in the OT. I really liked Luke's defensive style in the projection, but his whole character-arc dealing with Ben is one simple reiteration of ESB and RotJ. Back then he had already learned that he could only fight the dark with light. Talk about a lesson unlearned here.
and we all know how well that turned out... Luke had no chance, he was overwhelmed and mutilated - So how does that account for how well Rey does against Kylo? It's rather an anti-example if you ask me...
How do you know that some didn’t? The Inquisitors exist for a reason.
Are the ‘Jedi Purges’ even canon? The only place I can remember that term being used, was in the EU. Where it’s established every Jedi/Sith does have their own unique powerset. For eg. One guy can use the Force to heal all wounds, whereas another can’t heal at all because he specialises in mind control, etc.
Come to think of it, you can even see that in the original movies. Palpy was apparently the only person in the universe who could do Force Lightening, yet the movies never actually established it as a ‘Sith only’ power. Thats a move that sure would have come in handy when the Jedi were being attacked by groups of metal-coated muggles.
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Quick question: When Kylo had his shirt off, did he even bother to have a wound anymore?
Maybe he squirted a little Bacta fluid into the big gaping Bowcaster hole and was as right as rian.
Maybe he squirted a little Bacta fluid into the big gaping Bowcaster hole and was as right as rian.
*golf claps*
Finally got to see it tonight..A little disappointed tbh...Loved the opening scene...I can't get enough X wing frolics! Hated all the lame attempts at Comedy...which - judging by the audience lack of response - I was alone in finding not amusing! The pointless Rose/Finn ship incursion etc...Finn did seem a bit sidelined in this one to me! Hated Benicio del Toro's redundant character..Rose saving Finn I thought was entirely stupid...Most of the Luke stuff was with Rey was a waste of running time to me...On plus side Hammill and Carrie Fisher were excellent - Loved the blood red visuals on the planet during the final battle - Poe Dameron! Enjoyable but not the masterpiece I was hoping for! Lots of people were grumbling and moaning when they were coming out tonight...I was more puzzled than angry! Might enjoy it more on a second viewing...
Snoke might not be gone.
Kylo froze a laser bolt and could rip thoughts out of people.
He is trained but not completely so, and given to fits of rage, which can serve the Dark Side but leave him uneven.
Everything is not always what it seems on the face.
Because people never make the same mistakes?
I'm starting to feel like the only one who wants to treat these characters as people, with failures and flaws, than just archetypal characters.
Yoda made a nice speech about failures & flaws to boot.
So I rewatched The Force Awakens last night, and while it's not as good as I remember, it does deflate a couple of arguments I've heard people make about Rey and her Force abilities (at least in my mind)
1. Rey's ability to fight Kylo Ren without proper lightsaber training. Well, true, she's never had formal lightsaber training, she is seen wielding a bo staff and is quite adept at using it to neutralize (perceived) threats (Finn). Living on a junk planet having to fend for oneself gave her the ability to defend herself. So this isn't a problem for me.
2. Rey's innate Force abilities. Anakin Skywalker was able to do things through the Force before his formal Jedi training without complaints from the audience (his podracing abilities). Why is it okay for Anakin to be able to do these things, but not Rey?
1. Rey's ability to fight Kylo Ren without proper lightsaber training. Well, true, she's never had formal lightsaber training, she is seen wielding a bo staff and is quite adept at using it to neutralize (perceived) threats (Finn). Living on a junk planet having to fend for oneself gave her the ability to defend herself. So this isn't a problem for me.
2. Rey's innate Force abilities. Anakin Skywalker was able to do things through the Force before his formal Jedi training without complaints from the audience (his podracing abilities). Why is it okay for Anakin to be able to do these things, but not Rey?
Because she's a woman.
That's literally the only complaint the "anti-Rey" crowd can muster against her being as adept with the Force as she is.
Rey being good at piloting the Falcon fits right in with Anakin's and Luke's piloting skills, so no worries there. To play devil's advocate here, I think the basis for questioning Rey's Force use was that Rey was doing things like mind trick and beating Kylo in saber pull in her first movie, without having begun any training per se ( though she appears to have copied Kylo ). Luke's first saber pull was in his second film, took much concentration, and initially failed.
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It’s not like she beat Kylo on her first try. During Finn’s entire fight with Kylo, Rey is a little bit busy being unconscious...
...because she tried to instantly take out Kylo, and he responded by smashing her face into a tree.
Argueably, taking out Kylo was team effort anyway. If Finn hadn’t stepped up, Rey would have died there and then. And whilst Finn didn’t exactly win the day, I imagine Kylo chasing him around wouldn’t have exactly assisted his guts in not falling out of that giant wound Chewie tore in him.
And of course, Kylo probably would have caught the bow-caster bolt if Han hadn’t been, um...’distracting’ him. So everyone got to be useful!
...because she tried to instantly take out Kylo, and he responded by smashing her face into a tree.
Argueably, taking out Kylo was team effort anyway. If Finn hadn’t stepped up, Rey would have died there and then. And whilst Finn didn’t exactly win the day, I imagine Kylo chasing him around wouldn’t have exactly assisted his guts in not falling out of that giant wound Chewie tore in him.
And of course, Kylo probably would have caught the bow-caster bolt if Han hadn’t been, um...’distracting’ him. So everyone got to be useful!
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To play, um, devil's devil's advocate...
Kylo was clearly distracted while Rey was more focused with the saber pull and even Rey was surprised by the fact that it ended up in her hands.
I also agree that she appears to be copying Kylo and read some techniques from his mind.
That actually seems to be Rey's main talent, and it also explains why SHE SPECIFICALLY is the one who experienced the awakening. Because it's a skill that Kylo Ren also possesses, The Force is trying to establish balance by empowering his exact opposite. If Kylo had had different abilities -- say, fast healing or force lightning -- the Force would have awakened in someone else more closely his match.
Either way, in the middle of getting her ass kicked by Kylo Ren at Starkiller, Rey absorbed some of Kylo's experience and training and used it against him. I'd even go so far as to guess that she absorbs memories and experiences from objects she finds laying around, namely Rebel and Imperial paraphernalia she's been collecting for years.
More importantly: Snoke even makes it a point to mock Kylo for loosing to Rey, who has never even held a light saber before and shouldn't be anywhere near on even terms with him. Of course, under-estimating his enemies is also Snoke's singular talent, it seems...
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