Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion (HERE THERE BE SPOILERS)

[cooleddie74]

He did do a complicated dance around the issue of Benedict Cumberbatch being Khan in STID and denied that he was playing the role. Until it was revealed that he was. J.J. loves to have fun with the fans.

 

[DigificWriter]

Having seen video of J.J.'s initial comment, there was zero ambiguity in what he said and what he meant.

 

[Set Harth]

Spoiler

I guess that makes her just one of the kids at the Jedi Academy, then.

She doesn't even need to be that.

 

[DigificWriter]

Rey was never at Luke's "academy".

 

[Mr Light]

^^
The popular interpretation of Rey's vision is that the guy Kylo kills with a lightsaber was attacking Lil'Rey at the Academy. The memories are connected to a) Luke's lightsaber or b) Rey's childhood. So if Rey wasn't present at that scene, and Luke's lost saber wasn't there, why was it in the vision?

JJ calls back-sies:
https://twitter.com/Breznican/status/721175752025051136/photo/1
"What I meant was that she doesn't discover them in Episode Seven. Not that they might not already be in her world."

 

[DigificWriter]

^^
The popular interpretation of Rey's vision is that the guy Kylo kills with a lightsaber was attacking Lil'Rey at the Academy. The memories are connected to a) Luke's lightsaber or b) Rey's childhood. So if Rey wasn't present at that scene, and Luke's lost saber wasn't there, why was it in the vision?

JJ calls back-sies:
https://twitter.com/Breznican/status/721175752025051136/photo/1
"What I meant was that she doesn't discover them in Episode Seven. Not that they might not already be in her world."

Pablo Hidalgo clarified MONTHS ago that Rey was already on Jakku when Ben/Kylo killed his fellow students, so that "interpretation" doesn't mean squat.

He also said that the scene in the rain was not the "academy" attack.

As far as J.J's attempted and obvious "walk back" goes, it's meaningless.

 

[Mr Light]

I never heard those things. Interesting. So her vision was just completely random images then? Or were they connected to a) Luke's saber, b) Kylo, c) her childhood?

 

[DigificWriter]

^ The vision is ABOUT her, but most of the imagery in it isn't directly connected TO her.

Not sure if that makes sense, but that's what the situation is.

Switching subjects, I don't want to call myself a Star Wars fan right now because Abrams' comment has brought out the absolute worst in some people to the point they're acting like petulant children "taking their balls and going home" and being sexist prigs.

 

[Rowan Sjet]

I'm too boy-who-cried-wolf with JJ to believe anything, whether the initial comment or the walkback.

 

[DigificWriter]

He learned his lesson with the "Harrison is not Kahn" thing, though, and this isn't the first clarifying comment he's made with regards to TFA.

 

[JD]

I never heard those things. Interesting. So her vision was just completely random images then? Or were they connected to a) Luke's saber, b) Kylo, c) her childhood?

^ The vision is ABOUT her, but most of the imagery in it isn't directly connected TO her.

Not sure if that makes sense, but that's what the situation is.

Switching subjects, I don't want to call myself a Star Wars fan right now because Abrams' comment has brought out the absolute worst in some people to the point they're acting like petulant children "taking their balls and going home" and being sexist prigs.

I don't see why people get so worked up over stuff like this.
As for the vision, I find it a little hard to believe that the stuff she saw didn't relate to her history somehow. Even if she wasn't directly involved in the stuff she saw, I would think she would have to have some kind of connection to the people who were.

 

[Mr Light]

To me it makes more sense that her vision was directly connected to her; flashing to her father and grandfather at Cloud City, seeing her father's anguish at the Academy Massacre, a Knight of Ren almost killing her at the same event but getting saved by Kylo, Kylo dropping her off on Jakku...

But I can accept a secondary explanation of the vision showing her things that will come to be important to her; Luke, Kylo, and accepting the need to let go of her parents coming back for her on Jakku.

There's also the fact that Kylo sees she dreams about Luke's Island. Why would she dream about that if he wasn't her father? Just because because he would become an important mentor to her in the future? To be fair, when Luke arrives at Dagobah he says it feels familiar like something in a dream. (Obviously at that point in the development process, Baby Luke was supposed to have been on Dagobah at some point, and their mother was supposed to be alive since Leia remembers her in ROTJ)

 

[Set Harth]

The popular interpretation of Rey's vision is that the guy Kylo kills with a lightsaber was attacking Lil'Rey at the Academy.

I don't see what makes that the "popular" interpretation. Has there been a poll or something?

There's also the fact that Kylo sees she dreams about Luke's Island. Why would she dream about that if he wasn't her father?

Because it's her future?

Obviously at that point in the development process, Baby Luke was supposed to have been on Dagobah at some point

There is no indication of that whatsoever.

when Luke arrives at Dagobah he says it feels familiar like something in a dream.

Clearly that means Yoda is Luke's father.

 

[Marten]

To me it makes more sense that her vision was directly connected to her; flashing to her father and grandfather at Cloud City, seeing her father's anguish at the Academy Massacre, a Knight of Ren almost killing her at the same event but getting saved by Kylo, Kylo dropping her off on Jakku...

But I can accept a secondary explanation of the vision showing her things that will come to be important to her; Luke, Kylo, and accepting the need to let go of her parents coming back for her on Jakku.

There's also the fact that Kylo sees she dreams about Luke's Island. Why would she dream about that if he wasn't her father? Just because because he would become an important mentor to her in the future? To be fair, when Luke arrives at Dagobah he says it feels familiar like something in a dream. (Obviously at that point in the development process, Baby Luke was supposed to have been on Dagobah at some point, and their mother was supposed to be alive since Leia remembers her in ROTJ)

I think Luke meant for Rey to find him. It can't be a coincidence that Lor San Tekka has the map to Luke. My theory goes that Luke sent him to Jakku, with some vague plan that Rey sooner or later would get possession of the map and find him on that island (Vague plans dependent on large amounts of luck being being his thing, considering the operation to free Han Solo form Jabba). And for some reason, R2D2 is programmed to reboot when he gets that map. I'm not sure it was Luke that left Rey on Jakku, but at least he knowns about it and also knows she is important.

 

[DigificWriter]

Lor San Tekka being on Jakku is completely unconnected to Rey also being there.

Also, R2 waking up had nothing to do with Rey arriving on D'Quar.

 

[Tom Hendricks]

Did anyone ever consider if Shmi and Cliegg had a child together? Shmi probably never thought she would see Anakin again, Cliegg maybe wanted another child to work the farm. Maybe Rey is a Skywalker but just not in the way you think, she's the Granddaughter of Shmi.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ Doesn't work because any such child would've been present when Anakin and Padme showed up.

 

[JD]

I would also think if Luke had that direct of a blood relative, Obi-Wan would have probably left him with them.
I guess you could say they gave them up for some reason, but seeing how much close Shmi was to both Owen and Anakin, I find it hard to believe she would have given up a child.

 

[cooleddie74]

^ Doesn't work because any such child would've been present when Anakin and Padme showed up.

And Cliegg died not long after the events in Episode II. That film takes place about 55 years before The Force Awakens. Also, if there's another Skywalker child where were they when Obi-Wan delivered infant Luke to Owen and Beru at the end of Episode III?

Surely there'd have been at least one mention of Luke growing up with an alleged cousin or sibling had it actually happened. Luke grew up by himself with Owen and Beru.

 

[Ithekro]

Well...if you count the Muppets' Star Wars episode, there is Luke's cousin Mark.