Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion (HERE THERE BE SPOILERS)
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oh and that blue filter that seemed everywhere, save for Cloud City.
The whole point was to rid the galaxy of the Sith, not the dark side. The Sith and the dark side are not the same thing. "Rid the galaxy of the dark side" is something fans made up which is never uttered by anyone in any of the films or other canon, nor has Lucas ever promoted it anywhere - probably because it conflicts with his concept of the Force.
And that's fine, but there is really no compelling reason why they shouldn't.
If the balance is between the light and dark sides, why would the dark side alone 'have anything balanced about it'? "All dark side" and "all light side" are equally unbalanced scenarios.
Why do you insist on seeing it as a balance of light and dark?
The Force is The Force. The Light Side and The Dark Side are philosophies of its use. The Light Side serves the will of The Force. The Light Side embraces it and lets it flow through the user as they seek balance between their use of the force and its natural state. The Light Side works within the structure and flow of The Force. The Dark Side serves the will of the user, The Dark Side wields the Force as a weapon. The Dark Side twists and pulls and deforms the natural state of the force. Without the Dark Side disrupting The Force, it naturally inclines to its equilibrium. To Balance.
The Force is The Force. The Light Side and The Dark Side are philosophies of its use. The Light Side serves the will of The Force. The Light Side embraces it and lets it flow through the user as they seek balance between their use of the force and its natural state. The Light Side works within the structure and flow of The Force. The Dark Side serves the will of the user, The Dark Side wields the Force as a weapon. The Dark Side twists and pulls and deforms the natural state of the force. Without the Dark Side disrupting The Force, it naturally inclines to its equilibrium. To Balance.
Indeed, the dark side seems to me to be the corruption in the heart of the user -selfishness, greed, power lust - something to be controlled & minimized. It's clearly something that completely overwhelms someone & basically turns them into a different person. Like Gollum.
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There's a reason it's called the dark side of the Force. It's in the Force.
Because it is?
Yes, but a tautology isn't very useful here. X = X is not exactly the most insightful observation in mathematics, despite the fact that Mr.Ed is probably a big fan.
The light and dark sides are parts ( aspects ) of the Force, not philosophies. That's according to Lucas ( or TFA's Han Solo ).
"What you felt in the cave is merely a portion of what the dark side now holds." - Qui-Gon
The balance of the Force is disrupted by the Sith, not the mere existence of the dark side. All light side and no dark side is hardly balance. The Force was said to be in balance as a result of the destruction of Palpatine in ROTJ. Yet the dark side was still present ( just as Ben pointed out in HTTE ).
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I can't argue this point with either of you. I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. Cause no mystical energy field controls my destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.
You're trying to square the circle of making the old EU understanding of the Force jive with the Prequels. It can't be done. "Balance" as they spoke of it in the films only makes sense in context of the dark side as a perversion and corruption rather than an equal, opposite, but necessary counter.
A lot of what was in the old EU was crap and it was crap for a reason. It wasn't very well-written, even by the standards of one of the Prequels.
No, that's not what I'm doing. For one thing, I'm not sure what "the old EU understanding of the Force" is supposed to mean. One of the problems with the old EU ( and possibly the new canon as well, we'll have to wait and see ) was that different authors had different ideas about the structure of the Force. Thus, various sources were inconsistent, and it does not make sense to act as if the old EU's treatment of the Force was monolithic in nature. But that's all non-canon at this point. I only cited HTTE as an example of how the point I was making was also apparent to an author whose understanding derived from the OT ( as there was really nothing else to go on at that point ). The point is that the Sith are not the dark side. That much should be apparent from the films alone.
But if what you're trying to say here is that a dualistic Force can't be consistent with the prequels, that's ridiculous. For one thing, the same person who created the prequels also insisted on the duality of the Force. And you haven't identified anything in the prequels that conflicts with a dualistic Force - you're offering nothing more than denial and incredulity. You're the one alleging inconsistency; prove it.
Utter nonsense. Very little was said of the balance of the Force in the films. Out of that relatively small collection of lines of dialogue, which ones contradict the dark side being an "equal, opposite, but necessary counter"? Answer: none of them. Remember, the Sith and the dark side are not the same thing.
In the words of Yoda: always with you it cannot be done.
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Supposing for the sake of argument that there were dark side users around before the Force went out of balance, just using the dark side is not enough to unbalance the Force.
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Toast?
A part of the Force?
This is kinda cool. StarWars.com has a list of all or at least most of the voice actors who provided VO for TFA, and what lines they said. The most noteworthy names include Matthew Wood, the sound editor for the prequels and TFA and voice of General Grievous, Clone Wars and Rebels cast members Sam Witwer, Dee Bradley Baker, James Arnold Taylor, Catherine Taber, Mat Lanter, Fred Tatasiore and Tom Kane. Kevin Smith also had a line, and he, the other people listed above, and Dave Filoni also all provided crowd and background voices.
Kevin Smith actually got a line of dialogue in a Star Wars film? That alone might make him happier than almost anything else he's done other than raise his family and make the original Clerks.
Silent Bob speaks, and through the helmet of a Stormtrooper. Well done, Kevin.
Silent Bob speaks, and through the helmet of a Stormtrooper. Well done, Kevin.
