I know you were not directing this at me (feeling defensive today
), but I liked the movie. I felt it was good , just flawed. The first two acts where fun, but it was missing something in the third act.
Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion (HERE THERE BE SPOILERS)
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I know you were not directing this at me (feeling defensive today
), but I liked the movie. I felt it was good , just flawed. The first two acts where fun, but it was missing something in the third act.
I tend to agree about the third act. Even though there was a lot of stuff happening, I kept waiting for something to happen. Does that make sense?
I suppose that's good in a way, since it left me looking forward to the sequel to see what big thing is going to happen next.
I guess to me, this felt more like a setup for the sequel story.
Kor
I suppose that's good in a way, since it left me looking forward to the sequel to see what big thing is going to happen next.
I guess to me, this felt more like a setup for the sequel story.
Kor
Sooooo true.
I wondered what you meant, as I assumed all the Star Wars movies from now on would always be out at the same time, I had no idea Episode VIII was out in May 2017 instead of December. So thanks for that, not as long as I thought!
As for haters, I haven't got the impression anyone on here went into it "wanting" to dislike it. Just different opinions is all.
I guess, it just seems like a no win situation to me. IMO, the general audience isn't interested in that stuff (also fitting all that exposition in a 2 hour movie would make it feel like Episode 1), so the books and other media can fill in the blanks.
I see it as mixed. Some will legitimately not like it, and there will be small number of hipsters (not anyone here) who will not like it simply because it's popular, as with all popular things.
We will probably have to agree to disagree. However, when basic plot points like why is the rebellion still called the rebellion 30 years after ROTJ or was the planet destroyed in the film Coruscant go unanswered in the main film, I personally think that is a problem.
However, I will readily concede that a canon junkie like myself may be overly concerned with such issues.
^ Pretty sure they did give the name of the destroyed planet, I just can't remember what it was as I'd never heard of it before.
As I saw some randomer ranting on facebook earlier that the reason he hated it was because the movie was aimed at Hipsters. Haha, so either way no one wins
Which is why i shouldn't make such grandiose pronouncements when I saw a movie at 2AM. I happily stand corrected.
Btw, the name of the planet was Chandrila, birthplace of Mon Mothma.
I don't remember anybody saying the name of the planet. I guess I'll have to go watch the movie again this weekend.
While I enjoyed TFA and I appreciate the "love letter to the original trilogy" approach that JJ seems to be taking, I wish it had offered something a little more different and challenging.
For all of its faults, the prequel trilogy was certainly different from the OT.
Kor
While I enjoyed TFA and I appreciate the "love letter to the original trilogy" approach that JJ seems to be taking, I wish it had offered something a little more different and challenging.
For all of its faults, the prequel trilogy was certainly different from the OT.
Kor
One interesting theory I've seen suggests that having mastered life and death, Plaguis' death didn't 'take' - Palpatine failed.
Snoke did have a large scar...
You just wait until people start banging on about the glory days of the prequel trilogy and Jar Jar is retrospectively rehabilitated !
I wish there were more choices for the vote. I like it better than TPM but not as much as ROTS and it was equal with AOTC. The movie of course did not measure up to any of the original three. I even like ROTJ more. It just lacked something. I liked the star destroyer interior updates and it fit into the overall advances that we would see in 40 years but still gave us a sense that we were seeing the inside of a star destroyer. I didn't like the exteriors of the star destroyer because they did not pop out on the screen as in the original movies. The color palette for the star destroyers was to brown and it frankly looked like it was created on a computer. The Tie Fighters looked good. Spot on.
I wish they wouldn't have rehashed a planet destroying device for a third movie. Yeah it was one built into a planet but come on enough of that already.
I like how Harrison portrayed Han at the beginning of the film especially when he easily did things like shooting a storm trooper without even really looking. My biggest problem with Han is that his death really sucked. Yeah I know it was his kid but even a father whos son has murdered and basically helped start the new order has to be cautious. Not a great ending for the greatest smuggler and rouge the galaxy has ever known. His last act was to weakly brush his murderous sons cheek. I guess it was poetic justice for Greedo though that poor Han was fired in a exhaust shaft after falling off a catwalk. Most obvious death scene ever.
I like the Dameron Poe character and hopefully he will be in the next movie more.
I didn't like the character of Finn at all. I am not sure where they are going with him. He was there for comedy relief at times and then at times to clumsily defend Rey. The character just seemed flat to me. I did like how he kept calling Han by his last name of Solo only. Maybe we will see more fleshing out in the next movie.
I liked Chewie as usual.
I didn't like Threepios newer and honestly cheaper looking coverings.
And Luke for all of 30 seconds. Come on. We waited nearly 2 years with all the hype for that. Geez.
I wish they wouldn't have rehashed a planet destroying device for a third movie. Yeah it was one built into a planet but come on enough of that already.
I like how Harrison portrayed Han at the beginning of the film especially when he easily did things like shooting a storm trooper without even really looking. My biggest problem with Han is that his death really sucked. Yeah I know it was his kid but even a father whos son has murdered and basically helped start the new order has to be cautious. Not a great ending for the greatest smuggler and rouge the galaxy has ever known. His last act was to weakly brush his murderous sons cheek. I guess it was poetic justice for Greedo though that poor Han was fired in a exhaust shaft after falling off a catwalk. Most obvious death scene ever.
I like the Dameron Poe character and hopefully he will be in the next movie more.
I didn't like the character of Finn at all. I am not sure where they are going with him. He was there for comedy relief at times and then at times to clumsily defend Rey. The character just seemed flat to me. I did like how he kept calling Han by his last name of Solo only. Maybe we will see more fleshing out in the next movie.
I liked Chewie as usual.
I didn't like Threepios newer and honestly cheaper looking coverings.
And Luke for all of 30 seconds. Come on. We waited nearly 2 years with all the hype for that. Geez.
Leia could sense it in the force. She was shown to have it in ROTJ.
She is a Skywalker. Maybe she felt it? Does she have any force ability in the sequels?
Top marks, no question.
Much like Abrams' Trek features if this movie did anything right, it was capturing a sense of fun without cheapening the action or the stakes. And holy shit, talk about stakes. A family torn apart by a son gone bad and Han, that last caress of his son's face before he fell, put tears in my eyes. I thought that Finn was going to be my favourite before I saw the film and I was pleasantly surprised that all four young principals had their chance to shine.
I loved, loved, loved this movie. I'll be seeing it again in a few hours.
Much like Abrams' Trek features if this movie did anything right, it was capturing a sense of fun without cheapening the action or the stakes. And holy shit, talk about stakes. A family torn apart by a son gone bad and Han, that last caress of his son's face before he fell, put tears in my eyes. I thought that Finn was going to be my favourite before I saw the film and I was pleasantly surprised that all four young principals had their chance to shine.
I loved, loved, loved this movie. I'll be seeing it again in a few hours.
The only force abilities she has ever shown was feeling that Luke was always her brother even though she never really knew and that she was able to hear Luke in TESB to save him as he was dangling from a cloud city weather vane, Other than that nothing else. But since it is established that she is Anakins daughter it makes sense that she had developed a limited amount of force power on her own like sensing certain things.
I'm going to rescreen it today. Maybe I will like it better. My brother got so many tickets that I figured I would go again today. Maybe I will change my mind but I doubt it.
Just came back from seeing it. Right now-and it might be subject to change-I put it over The Phantom Menace but beneath all the other Star Wars films.
It was a well made film, with good action, pacing, and the hero characters were likeable enough. Though I did have criticisms. If Finn was basically programmed from birth to be a Stormtrooper he felt a bit too cowardly and unprepared at points. Where was his military discipline and bearing? I guess it was done for comedic effect and Boyega mostly pulled it off, but still the humor worked at times and other times didn't for his character. I can imagine it was done to humanize Finn as well.
As for Rey I think she was handled mostly well, though I rolled my eyes at how she came into the Force and beat Kylo Ren. I did think both Rey and Finn had chemistry and JJ did a lot building a potential romance between the two in one film than Lucas could do with Anakin and Padme in three. If she turns out to be Luke's daughter I wonder if they are going to explain why he left her on Jakku and under who's care. Because it seemed like that short changing trader had the young Rey by the arm in her flashback scene and I can't see Luke leaving her with him. BB-8 turned out to be alright, though he's no R2. And Poe wasn't bad either. At the beginning of the film I did think he was going to be in it more.
It was great seeing Han, Leia, and Chewie again, not to mention the droids. I enjoyed the brief scenes between Han and Leia. They did a lot with a little.
I was most disappointed with the villains. Snoke-don't like the name-and he wasn't that impressive. I hope he isn't really that gigantic. It just feels comical to me. And the design for him was nothing special. Kylo Ren-man I was hoping Han was going to call him Jacen instead of Ben. In some respects Ren does remind me of the expanded universe's Jacen Solo, his story is similar. However despite how weak Jacen turned out to be with a lightsaber Ren is weaker. I mean Finn-who may or may not be Force sensitive-gave him something of a fight and he was defeated by Rey. Now one might look at it as Ren still being torn or conflicted between the light and dark side, or suffering guilt over what he did to Han, but to me he wasn't that impressive. I did like his get up. His mask was cool. But overall he just came off as a lame Vader wannabee. And the truth is, Vader wasn't that great a Sith-there I said it-in comparison to Sidious, Maul, and Tyranus. Why wasn't Ren emulating Sidious instead? Granted he might not have known Sidious was Palpatine, but that makes him stupid or uniformed in addition to being weak. But I suspect that Vader's iconic helmet and look is used for marketing and selling the brand so that's why Ren reveres him. I mean finishing what Vader started? At the end of ROTJ that would've been destroying the Empire.
General Hux came off as a lame Tarkin. And Captain Phasma was barely in the picture. They could've given her a badass moment or two. I saw some comparison to Boba Fett. I'm not a Boba Fett fan but even he got to mouth off at Vader.
My other major issue was the story just lacked ambition. It was heavily influenced by A New Hope, and where does homage end and shameless copying begin? That being said, it wasn't as bad as Into Darkness, ripping stuff verbatim from Wrath of Khan, but TFA took story beats from ANH. But perhaps just made Star Destroyers and Starkiller Bases even super duper bigger in an attempt to ramp up the threat or danger.
Also within the story itself there was way too much coincidence. You can chalk it up to the Will of the Force but it got grating after a while.
I do wish more had been explained in the film. Who or what are the Knights of Ren? Who the heck was Max Von Sydow? Von Sydow was wasted. He would've made a good General Hux or Snoke.
It was a well made film, with good action, pacing, and the hero characters were likeable enough. Though I did have criticisms. If Finn was basically programmed from birth to be a Stormtrooper he felt a bit too cowardly and unprepared at points. Where was his military discipline and bearing? I guess it was done for comedic effect and Boyega mostly pulled it off, but still the humor worked at times and other times didn't for his character. I can imagine it was done to humanize Finn as well.
As for Rey I think she was handled mostly well, though I rolled my eyes at how she came into the Force and beat Kylo Ren. I did think both Rey and Finn had chemistry and JJ did a lot building a potential romance between the two in one film than Lucas could do with Anakin and Padme in three. If she turns out to be Luke's daughter I wonder if they are going to explain why he left her on Jakku and under who's care. Because it seemed like that short changing trader had the young Rey by the arm in her flashback scene and I can't see Luke leaving her with him. BB-8 turned out to be alright, though he's no R2. And Poe wasn't bad either. At the beginning of the film I did think he was going to be in it more.
It was great seeing Han, Leia, and Chewie again, not to mention the droids. I enjoyed the brief scenes between Han and Leia. They did a lot with a little.
I was most disappointed with the villains. Snoke-don't like the name-and he wasn't that impressive. I hope he isn't really that gigantic. It just feels comical to me. And the design for him was nothing special. Kylo Ren-man I was hoping Han was going to call him Jacen instead of Ben. In some respects Ren does remind me of the expanded universe's Jacen Solo, his story is similar. However despite how weak Jacen turned out to be with a lightsaber Ren is weaker. I mean Finn-who may or may not be Force sensitive-gave him something of a fight and he was defeated by Rey. Now one might look at it as Ren still being torn or conflicted between the light and dark side, or suffering guilt over what he did to Han, but to me he wasn't that impressive. I did like his get up. His mask was cool. But overall he just came off as a lame Vader wannabee. And the truth is, Vader wasn't that great a Sith-there I said it-in comparison to Sidious, Maul, and Tyranus. Why wasn't Ren emulating Sidious instead? Granted he might not have known Sidious was Palpatine, but that makes him stupid or uniformed in addition to being weak. But I suspect that Vader's iconic helmet and look is used for marketing and selling the brand so that's why Ren reveres him. I mean finishing what Vader started? At the end of ROTJ that would've been destroying the Empire.
General Hux came off as a lame Tarkin. And Captain Phasma was barely in the picture. They could've given her a badass moment or two. I saw some comparison to Boba Fett. I'm not a Boba Fett fan but even he got to mouth off at Vader.
My other major issue was the story just lacked ambition. It was heavily influenced by A New Hope, and where does homage end and shameless copying begin? That being said, it wasn't as bad as Into Darkness, ripping stuff verbatim from Wrath of Khan, but TFA took story beats from ANH. But perhaps just made Star Destroyers and Starkiller Bases even super duper bigger in an attempt to ramp up the threat or danger.
Also within the story itself there was way too much coincidence. You can chalk it up to the Will of the Force but it got grating after a while.
I do wish more had been explained in the film. Who or what are the Knights of Ren? Who the heck was Max Von Sydow? Von Sydow was wasted. He would've made a good General Hux or Snoke.
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