Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion (HERE THERE BE SPOILERS)

[DWF]

I don't know if this has already been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, but I just learned two Easter Eggs about the film. The first had me smiling and the second, while cool and a physical connection to a major character from the six previous films, was a little creepy.

1. The First Order Stormtrooper that Rey mind-tricks into releasing her from captivity and leaving her interrogation chamber door open so she can escape? That's the Stormtrooper who was played by Daniel Craig.

2. The gritty, sand-like material that Kylo Ren drops his helmet into as he's interrogating Rey inside that same chamber? There was no explanation in the film itself as to what that stuff was and I haven't read the movie's novelization, but apparently that gritty residue is none other than the cremated remains of Anakin Skywalker which were retrieved from the long-extinguished funeral pyre on Endor when Darth Vader's partially-melted helmet was recovered.

So....Anakin does appear in all seven films thus far. Technically.

I knew about Daniel Craig and I thought that might've been Anakin's ashes but I then I thought it was kind of odd to have them there in the open.

Vader's going to be upset. You know how much he hates sand.

Good thing ashes aren't made of sand then. And just think when Kylo puts the helmet on he gets the sent of Anakin's ashes when he breathes in.

 

[Skywalker]

So much was made about Kylo's Vader worship, anyone thinking he's going to get Vadered up in the next movie? Gets bitched up by Rey, ends up needing to go into the Vader armor. Though with Anakin's (presumed) ashes and the helmet...please...please...no Anakin clones. And no reveal the Snoke is Anakin's creator.

Well he'll have a nice big scar across his face now courtesy of Rey's final blow, so in Episode VIII he'll at least have a better excuse for wearing that mask.

 

[cooleddie74]

Good thing ashes aren't made of sand then. And just think when Kylo puts the helmet on he gets the sent of Anakin's ashes when he breathes in.

And as Anakin Skywalker taught us all so many years ago, sand gets into everything.

 

[Set Harth]

Qui-Gon becomes a Force Ghost. He's the one who teaches Yoda and Obi-Wan to become Force Ghosts. This is in the end of ROTS and is canon.

He speaks to Yoda. We don't see or hear him.

Well we hear him in AOTC when Anakin kills the raider village.

In addition, he appears to Obi-Wan and later Anakin in the Mortis arc of TCW. We also hear him as he speaks to Yoda in the final season.

Really the "Anakin disappeared" thing was already in trouble back in 2004 when the ROTJ DVD came out. On the commentary Lucas referred to Luke burning Anakin's body ( as opposed to his armor ).

 

[cooleddie74]

Doesn't he also manifest himself in physical form to Yoda on Dagobah? I remember the part of Yoda's Force vision wherein he sees Qui-Gon standing with other Jedi outside the Temple.

 

[Set Harth]

Doesn't he also manifest himself in physical form to Yoda on Dagobah?

If we count the floating lights.

If Anakin's body was meant to Force-vanish in the moments after his physical death I'm sure we'd have known about it by now, either in the old Expanded Universe or the new.

It actually did make it into the old EU:
He recalled how Obi-Wan's and Yoda's and Anakin's bodies had all vanished upon their deaths: Obi-Wan and Yoda leaving only crumpled robes, Anakin Skywalker leaving only the empty body armor of Darth Vader. - Champions of the Force, p30

...no doubt due in part to Steve Sansweet pushing it all over the place. But that's all gone now.

 

[Venardhi]

The ashes thing seems very unlikely considering it was in the interrogation chamber rather than Kylo's shrine/room, where the Helmet was.

 

[Tosk]

In addition, he appears to Obi-Wan and later Anakin in the Mortis arc of TCW.

I may be remembering incorrectly, but wasn't that more of a vision than an actual manifestation? Like the way Vader "appeared" to Luke on Dagobah.

 

[Mach5]

I may be remembering incorrectly, but wasn't that more of a vision than an actual manifestation?

Could have been both. is there a reason why a ghost couldn't "crash" someone's vision?

This guy gets it.

 

[Relayer1]

What I'd like to know is why Anakin hasn't appeared in his spectral form to set that kid right.

That's the thing though: Kylo Ren idolizes Darth Vader (mighty Sith Lord), not Anakin Skywalker (man who "gave in to sentiment" to save his son).

Which is why Anakin needs to show up and set him right. This is his grandson, after all.

Well, :

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=129285

Also, possible spoiler about Reys identity :

http://nerdbastards.com/2015/12/24/...-infinity-game-just-reveal-rey-real-identity/

 

[Rowan Sjet]

Apparently, "Kylux" is thing now.

Kylo/Hux slash?
Yeah, not surprised, there is probably Finn/Poe slash as well already...
Rule 34 of the internet...

There's definitely people who ship Finn/Poe.

But there's people who ship Rey/Kylo as well.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Also, possible spoiler about Reys identity :

http://nerdbastards.com/2015/12/24/...-infinity-game-just-reveal-rey-real-identity/

Yeah, no. I watched the video. There is nothing about her identity in it. Kylo clearly says: "Curses!"... Not that other thing.

 

[Mach5]

There's definitely people who ship Finn/Poe.

That ain't so far fetched.

But there's people who ship Rey/Kylo as well.

And they call their ship "Reylo". This could be an amazing pairing, come to think of it. Could produce some gut-wrenching (yet beautiful) drama. Ray, a soldier of the light, realizes she's attracted to the "monster" who abducted and tortured her (Stockholm sydrome?), after which he murdered her mentor, his own father, right before her. How does one deal with such feelings?

Rey could, and (it's safe to say) will be an instrument of Ben's eventual redemption, like Luke was Vader's. A romance would add a lot more intrigue to that story.

 

[Mr Light]

I wonder if the riot guard Stormtrooper with the sick spins was Finn's ex boyfriend. That would explain why he felt so betrayed. "TRAITOR!!!"

 

[Venardhi]

On the subject of that Stormtrooper.

Is he Patrick Warburton? At least a couple lines in the movie sound like him and all the Stormtrooper action figures feature what sounds like his voice. I can't find anything about him being in it though.

 

[Mr Light]

I can't get enough of all the stupid internet memes and pictures about the Riot Guard Stormtrooper. It really cracks me up

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o8dpbsKDv9nc01pkc/giphy-downsized-large.gif
https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.ne...=ab3ae9bbccef87b4221eca6cb065b8c7&oe=56D7997E

 

[Trekkin]

That's the thing though: Kylo Ren idolizes Darth Vader (mighty Sith Lord), not Anakin Skywalker (man who "gave in to sentiment" to save his son).

Which is why Anakin needs to show up and set him right. This is his grandson, after all.

Well, :

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=129285

I have that book ordered. The idea of his ghost being both Anakin and Vader is a neat idea.

But we all know the real reason why Anakin didn't show up. He and Luke were both on a very important mission:

 

[SeerSGB]

Always figured on Anakin and Vader being sort of a split personality situation. Anakin falls, certainly, but the reality of what he does causes him to split mental in Vader and Anakin (The good that Luke senses). Then Episode II and III had to harsh that theory by making Anakin virtually unlikable.

 

[cooleddie74]

The ashes thing seems very unlikely considering it was in the interrogation chamber rather than Kylo's shrine/room, where the Helmet was.

This is the Star Wars universe, though. What we consider sensible or logical in the real world doesn't always apply to how those characters behave and the things they choose to do. This is a guy who is helping preside over a planet-sized superweapon that can destroy entire solar systems and impaled his own father through the chest. I don't think keeping at least some of the cremated remains of his grandfather in a room where he interrogates prisoners is really that out of the realm of possibility for an obviously disturbed and emotionally-torn man who does, well, all of that other stuff (plus more) on a regular basis.

 

[Set Harth]

Well, :

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=129285

Ugh. I hope that stuff doesn't necessarily represent the direction they'll end up going in the upcoming films.

"The reason Luke is this whole new entity is because he was the first to acknowledge his own dark side - that it was not separate from him."

Except that's not remotely true. In fact, the Yoda arc of TCW has Yoda doing the exact same thing before Luke is even born. Going out of one's way to retroactively make all earlier Jedi wrongheaded in this area seems both highly unlikely and totally uncalled for.

"After all, his decision to kill the Emperor didn't exactly wipe away his past misdeeds or the fact that he had committed himself to the dark side"

No shit, Sherlock.

This sounds like someone's thinking about walking back Anakin's redemption, which kind of sucks. It was never about moral bean-counting, that had nothing to do with it. It wasn't supposed to be absolution of sin.