ReadyAndWilling
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anyone else think it was weird how dooku's magna guards just stood there stoically while he was writhing in pain?
Star Wars: The Clone Wars S4
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ReadyAndWilling
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yah, but aren't they programmed to make sure he's safe? i think it'd have been cool to see them try and contact grevious instead of dooku doing it by himself.
Order 66 is fine as it is. AOTC explained that the clones are conditioned to follow orders.
Filoni getting his hands on it will only mess it up.
I certainly understood the idea behind it from the movies, so the logic doesn't need to be explained. The problem was, it was way too easy.
Didn't the Jedi realize the danger of using programmed soldiers is that they can be programmed to stab you in the back? I'd like to see some explanation that makes Palps incredibly smart and devious to overcome the Jedi's sensible and (should have been) effective efforts to defend against just that maneuver.
In other words: show me how smart you are, writers. Make the villain smart, don't make the heroes dumb.
Considering his strong track record of improving on Lucas' lazy nonsense, the opposite is far more likely to occur.
It's simple: there were no efforts to defend against that maneuver, barring any possible off-screen examination of the clones made in the wake of AOTC, because the Jedi had no idea that the head of the Republic government would want them dead, and no reason to assume any such thing. Smart =/= omniscient.
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It's mentioned in the novelization that the Jedi didn't sense the clones deception because the clones simply felt they were doing their job.
For example, take the treatment of cloning in the Darth Plagueis novel. Before moving on to humans they start looking at possibly cloning Yinchorri. The question of how to make the subjects less willful while maintaining their violent tendencies is considered. This is the same emphasis that we see in AOTC dialogue.
Have finally caught up on this season. I really enjoyed it. Maybe not as much as 2/3, but it's still a great show, it looks great, the sound is great, I love the characters, I just get a lot of enjoyment out of this show.
For some reason a particular moment keeps replaying in my mind- there's a moment when Cad Bane knocks Anakin down and you hear a sort of... awesome lightsaber noise as Ashoka leaps up from below. It's such a great noise- nothing like it in the original films- really goes to show how, even in the little details, TCW is really expanding and improving the SW universe. Good stuff.
For some reason a particular moment keeps replaying in my mind- there's a moment when Cad Bane knocks Anakin down and you hear a sort of... awesome lightsaber noise as Ashoka leaps up from below. It's such a great noise- nothing like it in the original films- really goes to show how, even in the little details, TCW is really expanding and improving the SW universe. Good stuff.
That looks awesome.
So anyone know if this is the last one or are they going to do at least another season after this one?
Okay, you're still not getting the point, and probably never will, but I'll explain it one last time: none of this is happening for real.
There's a guy named George Lucas who is inventing all of it. He can invent anything he wants to. He chose to invent a story where the Jedi have no hope of actually being able to counter Palps.
That is what is bullshit. Not that the Jedi aren't omniscient, but that Lucas arranged things so that they can't be effective players in the story.
The story has one effective player: Palpatine. That's a boring story. A good story needs at least two effective players. A story with one effective player is like watching a sports game with only one team on the field.
And in this case, the one team isn't very impressive anyway, so it's a good thing he has no opposition. Palpatine's amazing abilities are not so amazing when you realize they exist only because Lucas is making sure the Jedi have two hands tied behind their backs at all times.
In my quote above, which apparently zoomed right over your head, I was envisioning a way the story could have been re-written to be much better - to balance the playing field between two amazingly, dazzlingly effective teams.
Envision two NBA teams in an exciting, extremely close game, showing off their incredible athletic abilities and clever tactics. That is what I want. The PT is more like a junior high school basketball team of average abilities playing against no one. Who wants to see something like that?
This is the kind of thing that totally misses the point. Who decided the clones should simply feel that they're doing their job? George Lucas did. (Or, Lucas didn't even think it through and the novelization writer added that detail, trying his best to explain away Lucas' shitty writing.)
Lucas piled up a bunch of reasons why the Jedi had no hope against Palps. He should have spent more effort on giving the Jedi intelligent ways to counter Palps, and make the game more interesting by having two equal teams on the field.
Yeah, now that is more like my NBA game analogy. Nice to see somebody is trying to make reasonably intelligent Star Wars.
Is that Lux back in the picture with Ahsoka? Anakin is actually trying to dabble in politics, getting the rebels "back in the fold"? Very interesting mix of interests and competing agendas. I have absolutely no idea how they can take all the complexity they've developed in TCW and try to get it to fit with the simple-minded scenario of ROTS, though. Maybe they need a few more seasons to get it all to fit.
"So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."
I believe it has been mentioned a couple of times in the thread that Filoni has been thinking of extending the Clone Wars. They'll probably officially announce a season six either at SDCC or more likely in August at Celebration VI.
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