Star Wars: The Clone Wars S4
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You... you guys thought that was a great episode?
Jesus. It was awful, even by Star Wars standards of stupidity. I can't even begin to count how many times they said the stupidest shit. Literally vomiting up lines like, "I know what I must do. My people need me. But I don't know what to do! [Even though I just fucking said I know what to do.]" And, apparently, massive battles, complete with multiple reinforcements (as in not once, but twice... for both sides... plus negotiating to gain those reinforcements, not to mention organizing and transporting them) take place within a few hours. Sure, you can say it took place over days if not weeks, but there was no indication whatsoever of that.
And then blowing a horn miraculously makes everyone love the prince -- someone they were meh about at the very best to begin with -- despite the fact that they're currently enslaved and have no hope whatsoever of changing that fact. Oh, and best of all, taking out the enemies radar/sonar for a short period of time requires the demolition of an entire building and, due to its destruction, a sizeable part of the entire city.
Just... Jesus Christ. I tried to stop watching, but it was like a train wreck.
Jesus. It was awful, even by Star Wars standards of stupidity. I can't even begin to count how many times they said the stupidest shit. Literally vomiting up lines like, "I know what I must do. My people need me. But I don't know what to do! [Even though I just fucking said I know what to do.]" And, apparently, massive battles, complete with multiple reinforcements (as in not once, but twice... for both sides... plus negotiating to gain those reinforcements, not to mention organizing and transporting them) take place within a few hours. Sure, you can say it took place over days if not weeks, but there was no indication whatsoever of that.
And then blowing a horn miraculously makes everyone love the prince -- someone they were meh about at the very best to begin with -- despite the fact that they're currently enslaved and have no hope whatsoever of changing that fact. Oh, and best of all, taking out the enemies radar/sonar for a short period of time requires the demolition of an entire building and, due to its destruction, a sizeable part of the entire city.
Just... Jesus Christ. I tried to stop watching, but it was like a train wreck.
I thought it was a decent episode. Given how incredibly quickly the Gungans got there I assumed this was a two parter so I was shocked there's actually a third part. I'm hoping the annoying prince dies and Ackbar becomes the leader of Mon Cal (I know that won't fit in with old canon though).
So, when Shark-Man had his face stuck in the glass tube right in front of Ashoka, why didn't she take out her lightsaber and stab him in the brain with it?
Also, when Shark-Man broke the tube open, why did two of the Mon Cal guards act like they were falling to their deaths? They're in the ocean.
So, when Shark-Man had his face stuck in the glass tube right in front of Ashoka, why didn't she take out her lightsaber and stab him in the brain with it?
Also, when Shark-Man broke the tube open, why did two of the Mon Cal guards act like they were falling to their deaths? They're in the ocean.
I thought there were a few flaws with the episode. The Prince had one of those annoying "young boy" voices that drive you crazy. Anakin not using the Force to reclaim is missing helmet and some cringe worthy dialogue. But all and all, I thought it was a great hour and an epic story.
I thought the exact same thing when watching this though I'll add that Ashoka's reaction seemed to be a bit much (she looked as if she were cowering when he broke through the glass) for a Jedi.
It was good for Clone Wars.
A half-way decent villian and it looked great.
A half-way decent villian and it looked great.
Mr Light technically canon is kind of messed up in regards to the Mon Calamari. The old concept for them is that they had first contact with the Empire, and the Empire conquered them but they were able to convert their luxury ships into battle cruisers and join the Rebellion (Helping first with the Yavin evacuation). This is reflected in many of the comics and novels released before the prequels.
However, Lucas encorporated Quarren (The squid-like other inhabitants of Mon Calamari) and later Mon Calamari (In ROTS) into the prequels, so so much for that.
However, Lucas encorporated Quarren (The squid-like other inhabitants of Mon Calamari) and later Mon Calamari (In ROTS) into the prequels, so so much for that.
I found it very boring. Just more big battles. The prince was completely annoying. Visually it wasn't even that impressive. I can see why they held off on doing water. They just didn't nail it right, they didnt have bouyancy. Just looked like they were floating in space.
On a more positive note, the trailer for the upcoming season looks great.
But because i simply critized the episodes, i'll be called a star wars hater. Even though i love star wars, i just don't care for poorly done episodes.
On a more positive note, the trailer for the upcoming season looks great.
But because i simply critized the episodes, i'll be called a star wars hater. Even though i love star wars, i just don't care for poorly done episodes.
I'm with DarthPipes and Peacemaker on this one, I thought it was awsome. I'd say it was probably one of the best of the show so far. Sure it may not have been perfect, but I don't think any of there episodes have been. Honestly, when it comes to stuff like this, I actually watch it so I can be entertained, not so I can so I can study every second of the thing to rip it apart. I know that seems to be a strange concept around here.
Checkmate
Commodore
I wasn't trying to rip it apart. It ripped itself apart with the sheer volume of idiocy in it. My suspension of disbelief can only go so far. Nothing in this episode made any sense. From Anakin deciding to demolish a large portion of the city to disable their sonar rather than just taking out the easy target at the top of a building (while simultaneously being completely and totally unable to retrieve his free-floating helmet that was only a few meters away), to a newly enslaved race celebrating their pathetic and useless leader just because he blew a horn, to sharkboy being able to take out multiple trained soldiers in the blink of an eye but being wholly unable to get a single bite on the prince (especially since he decided to attack with his hands instead of his jaws for some unknown reason), to all the "secret weapons" and repeated "reinforcements" that manifested out of thin air... the whole damn show was just plain awful.
And that's all right off the top of my head. I know there was a lot of other things, too, but my brain is actively trying to block it all out.
Hell, it wasn't even fun to watch. The way everyone moved underwater was bizarre, the colors were muted and hard to distinguish, the prince's voice was grating, and those two or three guards in the tube actually fell to their death when the tube was broken. At free fall speeds. What the hell, man.
Like it all you want, but you're not going to convince me that it was in any way, shape, or form a decent episode. Let alone a good or even great one. It was completely embarrassing.
Funny, I always thought the Gungans were fresh water.
I thought it was okay and enjoyed the visuals and action, but I can't disagree with any of the issues Checkmate had with the episode.
Many aspects of the episode seemed poorly conceived and executed, like the underwater physics being depicted more like they were in air (guys falling to their deaths from the tube, unsuited voices sounding like they would in the air, people fist-fighting and moving their arms at normal speed), the lack of a reasonable depiction of enough time passing for all the things in the episode to happen, Anakin being unable to retrieve his helmet and then pulling down a building with the Force (taking out half the city), evil shark-man (already a cliché) being a total badass 99% of the time but like one of the bumbling villains from Home Alone every time he tried to kill the Prince.
Though it's sort of reminiscent of Ackbar constantly differing to Lando during the Battle of Endor even though he was the fleet commander (at least Lando had combat experience), it got a tad annoying when he constantly differed to the Prince on every little decision. Granted, he was trying to build him up into a great leader and technically he was following the proper chain of command for Mon Cals apparently, but while the Prince was (understandably) dithering people were dying left and right and decisions needed to be made.
Why didn't evil shark-man just wait until the Republic forces were back on their ship and then blow it up? His oh so clever Blofeld-ian trap came off kind of stupid when he blew it up right over their heads when they were about to board. It was cool seeing them ride the pieces of the ship back down to the depths, though.
Convincing the Gungans to fight was kind of a stupid scene, but I guess consistent with Gungans in general that way. "No, we'll have to debate this first." Jar-Jar says five words. "Okay, we're going." It was fun to see five aquatic species fighting underwater, though, along with battledroids that didn't suck, giant jellyfish/machine hybrids, aquatic clonetroopers, Jedi, and the whirlpool generating underwater landing ships.
The episode was visually impressive, and the battle scenes themselves were neat. Overall, I'd give it a mediocre "B-."
Many aspects of the episode seemed poorly conceived and executed, like the underwater physics being depicted more like they were in air (guys falling to their deaths from the tube, unsuited voices sounding like they would in the air, people fist-fighting and moving their arms at normal speed), the lack of a reasonable depiction of enough time passing for all the things in the episode to happen, Anakin being unable to retrieve his helmet and then pulling down a building with the Force (taking out half the city), evil shark-man (already a cliché) being a total badass 99% of the time but like one of the bumbling villains from Home Alone every time he tried to kill the Prince.
Though it's sort of reminiscent of Ackbar constantly differing to Lando during the Battle of Endor even though he was the fleet commander (at least Lando had combat experience), it got a tad annoying when he constantly differed to the Prince on every little decision. Granted, he was trying to build him up into a great leader and technically he was following the proper chain of command for Mon Cals apparently, but while the Prince was (understandably) dithering people were dying left and right and decisions needed to be made.
Why didn't evil shark-man just wait until the Republic forces were back on their ship and then blow it up? His oh so clever Blofeld-ian trap came off kind of stupid when he blew it up right over their heads when they were about to board. It was cool seeing them ride the pieces of the ship back down to the depths, though.
Convincing the Gungans to fight was kind of a stupid scene, but I guess consistent with Gungans in general that way. "No, we'll have to debate this first." Jar-Jar says five words. "Okay, we're going." It was fun to see five aquatic species fighting underwater, though, along with battledroids that didn't suck, giant jellyfish/machine hybrids, aquatic clonetroopers, Jedi, and the whirlpool generating underwater landing ships.
The episode was visually impressive, and the battle scenes themselves were neat. Overall, I'd give it a mediocre "B-."
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When the episode started I thought it was going to make for an interesting situation for the Jedi. Since they're moving through the water, they couldn't possibly move their arms fast enough to catch any laser bolts heading their way, so they're as vulnerable as everyone else. Oh, wait, no they're not 
I think you nailed it on the head why I didn't care for this opening two episiodes at all.
Oh well, these may have been subpar, but at least the blurays came out, which i've been enjoying immensely all weekend.
Why all the venom? It's clone wars. A show that wants to be Wagner and Sesame Street at same time. This is as good as it gets.
Criticism ≠ Venom. Amazingly, you can enjoy a show and not think every episode is a great one. It's a difficult concept for certain people to accept for some reason.
I swear some people can't take critiques. That if you dont love every little bit and piece of star wars, you are a "hater."
It was a weak story and opener. There are plenty of TCW episodes i have enjoyed immensely. Tons of season 1 and 2 episodes, too many to name.
But I won't just blindly love everything wars. I don't blindly love everything trek. Every show has its weak and strong episodes. Doesn't mean we hate the show.
I just want to apologize, it was late and I was tired and I get crabby when I'm tired. Thinking back, I can see that the episode definitely had alot of flaws, and while I don't mind looking past them, for some people it might not be so easy. Again I apologize for being overreacting.
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