Star Wars: The Clone Wars S4

[Admiral_Young]

^ I apologize for assuming. I stated what I did because for some reason you felt the need to dress down JD for stating being excited about something that was coming out close to his birthday, so I naturally assumed you weren't excited about such things. Next time it would have been helpful rather than provide a snarky post to explain, as you did in your follow up.

 

[DimesDan]

^ I apologize for assuming. I stated what I did because for some reason you felt the need to dress down JD for stating being excited about something that was coming out close to his birthday, so I naturally assumed you weren't excited about such things. Next time it would have been helpful rather than provide a snarky post to explain, as you did in your follow up.

Dress down?

Are we in the Imperial Navy?

I did no such thing and felt no need until JD replied and you interjected with your assumption to give a reason as to my post.

 

[Set Harth]

Filoni has stated there will be a heavier focus on Anakin's journey towards the dark side that kind of started last season but will be focused on in this season.

Sigh.

 

[DarthPipes]

New interview with Filoni about Season 4...

http://tv.ign.com/articles/119/1190980p1.html

 

[Hound of UIster]

Filoni has stated there will be a heavier focus on Anakin's journey towards the dark side that kind of started last season but will be focused on in this season.

Sigh.

I can feel your anger.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

You're getting angry over a writer trying to stick to the point of the story?

Find a different story, I guess...

Everybody knows Darth Vader and I think it's important to have that moment in the show, because you really start to get, "Oh yeah, that is Anakin." And that's something that I think is sometimes hard for people. That is the same guy. And we're headed that way! It's gonna get bad! But what can you do?

Yep, the disconnect between Anakin and Vader is one of the biggest deficiencies of the PT. I never felt for one moment that the two characters had been successfully connected. It's good that Filoni realizes that's an unfinished job that he needs to tackle. He's been very good at correcting the PT's many deficiencies and I look forward to more corrections in S4.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Filoni should be proud. He has managed to improve on some things that fans have had problems with (i.e. for me it would be Anakin's characterization and motivations) while still capturing the integrity and spirit of the prequel films. I know he doesn't really get a lot of talk from fans but the portrayal of Obi-Wan Kenobi during the series has been phenomenal in my opinion and we've been able to see a lot more of the type of man he is.

Set Harth's sighing is rather curious since Filoni has always stated that there would be a natural flow directly into Revenge of the Sith. Shouldn't this something be something that hardcore fans should embrace?

 

[DarKush]

^
Yeah I don't see why it would be any surprise that Clone Wars wouldn't set the stage for Revenge of the Sith. In fact, I'm looking forward to that. I think Clone Wars can help, as it already has, giving more credence to the Clone Wars and Anakin's eventual downfall.

Very curious to see how they get around the Darth Maul can of worms they opened last season and what they have in store for Ventress. I wonder if they will break further from the EU and actually wrap up her storyline within the show.

 

[Set Harth]

You're getting angry over a writer trying to stick to the point of the story?

Find a different story, I guess...

I did. It was called the PT. Anakin-becomes-Vader-by-increments is in no way the "point of the story". It may be the point of Filoni's story, but if so: This is just the same old tired approach some writers always come up with when trying to figure out what to do with Anakin during the Clone Wars. It's tantamount to revisionism because it denigrates the significance of the situation in which Anakin is placed in ROTS ( see 2001 ). Anakin's turn is already adequately supported by a situation which was set up throughout the PT. As such it does not require a continuous stream of dark side shifts between AOTC and ROTS, an approach which would seem to essentially miss the point of the Shmi/Padme plotline.
( I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, given that Filoni & co. have already wrecked the political dimension of the Clone Wars and many other things. )

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ You do realize that your continued defense of the prequel trilogy over the Clone Wars is kind of bizarre considering that George Lucas is fully hands on and approves everything Filoni does with the show? Filoni has complimented and praised Lucas' involvement in the series since the start!! Last year he called George the show's "secret weapon"! If anyone is revising things here is is George because that is what he has always done. Sometimes I really don't get what you are trying to argue.

 

[Set Harth]

Lucas > Lucas <----- INVALID
Lucas < Lucas <----- VALID

DOES NOT COMPUTE

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ I figured you'd respond like that.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

This show is happening with George's blessing. It's canon.

I've been living with revisions to the saga for over 30 years, ever since the 1977 film was rebranded Episode IV: A New Hope. Life goes on after revision.

In this case, frankly, I welcome it.

 

[JD]

I'm a big fan of the Prequels, but even I'm very happy with what Lucas and Filoni have done in Clone Wars. And I would even agree that, as Filoni says in the interview, the show is better than the movies.
I think that showing a slower transition to the Dark Side for Anakin is actually a lot better story and character wise than the sudden jump that he made in Revenge of the Sith. It's always seemed to me that switching sides of the Force would be a slow transition, not a suddenly flipped switch.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Also Anakin is still becoming Vader in pretty much the same way he did in the movies, we're just seeing that journey in a more expansive way that the movies couldn't portray.

 

[Set Harth]

I've been living with revisions to the saga for over 30 years, ever since the 1977 film was rebranded Episode IV: A New Hope.

I don't think a title change is the same thing as what we're talking about.

It's always seemed to me that switching sides of the Force would be a slow transition, not a suddenly flipped switch.

I don't get that impression from ROTJ. In any event, Anakin's turn is nowhere near as sudden as some make it out to be. The groundwork was laid much earlier. My point is that we don't need a million mini-turns filling the space between AOTC and ROTS. That kind of thing would tend to undermine the relevance of the seemingly impossible position in which Anakin finds himself during ROTS.

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ Undermining it how exactly? You are stating that the Clone Wars series is somehow harmful to Anakin Skywalker's character evolution established already in "Revenge of the Sith". I would have to disagree with you that anything that we have seen in the series has contradicted the integrity of what we saw in the films. I understand if you don't like the series for whatever reason, that's not what we are discussing here. If anything the series has made the final movie even more interesting to me and only expands our understanding of Anakin as he makes the decisions he does in that film and becomes Darth Vader.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I've been living with revisions to the saga for over 30 years, ever since the 1977 film was rebranded Episode IV: A New Hope.

I don't think a title change is the same thing as what we're talking about.

That title change just happens to be the first revision of all of the revisions that have occurred, that's all.

I seem to recall that you were quite unsympathetic to some of us who were pointing out how the PT developed Anakin's story in ways that were unnecessary and that we thought were nonsensical given the state of the OT as it had stood for twenty years. Those of us who grew up on the OT, and liked it the way it was to begin with, have had to put up with quite a few revisions, and a lot of us certainly don't consider the PT to be above revising.

 

[Hound of UIster]

The only long lasting damage CW did really was to the competency of Grievous and the Confederacy. I preferred him more as the cold ruthless cyborg strategist with strings of atrocities than the Snidley Whiplash type that he became in CW.

 

[Set Harth]

I would have to disagree with you that anything that we have seen in the series has contradicted the integrity of what we saw in the films.

There's the political mess ( Senate Spy, etc. ), for one thing.

Undermining it how exactly?

If the series ends up depicting the Jedi increasingly messing with Anakin ( for lack of a better phrase ) and thus giving him even more reason to resent them in ROTS, I have no essential problem with that. But what I fear - Anakin becomes Vader by increments - is not what the story once was and is unnecessary. IMO it would ultimately denigrate the significance of the position in which he's placed in ROTS. It could be Lucas' new version of the story, but I suspect it may be Filoni's, and it recalls how Anakin was handled in the Clone Wars comics prior to ROTS.