Star Wars:The Clone Wars S3......so far
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I could see that, however wasn't Savage still in thrall to the Nightsisters? I mean, it took him a minute to break Asajj's hold on him, though I wonder if that was because he had more of a personal animus for Asajj particularly, for the way she treated him and what she had him do to Feral.
I think the first two episodes set up a very nice revenge plot that was relatively simple to follow, but the third episode screwed it up by making it too convoluted, perhaps to keep everyone alive. After sleeping on it, I think perhaps it would've been better to reunite Asajj and Dooku in killing Savage. And maybe even having Dooku stand up to Sidious, for once.
I think the show creator's love for Savage got the best of them and now they've thrown in the possibility of a Darth Maul lives angle that could turn out to be horrible (though it could be very awesome too; I liked the comic book cyborg Maul story). Ironic perhaps but I wonder if the CW creators are having the same issue with attachment for their pet characters like Cad Bane and now Savage that drove Anakin to the darkside in ROTS.
It was a good episode, although it was a bit of a waste of Delta Squad and seeing as I thought they were setting up a Battle Royale between Obi/Anakin/Asajj Vs Dooku and Opress, I was a little bit disappointed. Still though, I'm looking forward to seeing where they go with the Maul thing, even though I'm well aware it could be awful, I hope they pull it off.
I really enjoyed this one. There were quite few things in it I didn't expect, I really expected Savage to end up dead, and Asajj and Dooku to be back together by the end. I always find it to be a pleasant surprise when a show doesn't hit the reset button in the end. I'm really curious to see where they're going with the Maul thing. I'm hoping it's a Clone or another brother, while I do trust the writers there's still to big of a chance of a Maul's still alive thing going horribly wrong.
I was starting to wonder last night if perhaps they're trying to set this up to continue the story, or at least keep their characters alive, after the war. It seems to me like they're isolating Dooku so that way he'll be alone when he die's in the beginning of ROTS. If they do continue the story I think it would be interesting to see some of their recurring character's perspectives during Order 66.
I was starting to wonder last night if perhaps they're trying to set this up to continue the story, or at least keep their characters alive, after the war. It seems to me like they're isolating Dooku so that way he'll be alone when he die's in the beginning of ROTS. If they do continue the story I think it would be interesting to see some of their recurring character's perspectives during Order 66.
Maybe it's an undersized clone of Darth Maul, and its name is... Mini-Maul.
(Note: I hate making an Austin Powers reference, but I couldn't resist doing some kind of "mall" pun and the cloning suggestions made it a natural.)
No, wait: Maybe it turns out to be the son of Darth Maul and Shmi Skywalker, and his name is Sky-Maul.
If his tattoos were red, white, and blue, would he be Maul of America?
(Note: I hate making an Austin Powers reference, but I couldn't resist doing some kind of "mall" pun and the cloning suggestions made it a natural.)
No, wait: Maybe it turns out to be the son of Darth Maul and Shmi Skywalker, and his name is Sky-Maul.
If his tattoos were red, white, and blue, would he be Maul of America?
It is a Maul world after all.
We go from one trilogy of episodes into another it would seem. These must be the episodes that are dealing with the prophecy of the chosen one, a plot point that Filoni mentioned would be explored at some point during this season. Interesting.
http://www.theforce.net/latestnews/story/TCW_Overlords_Episode_Guide_136245.asp
http://www.theforce.net/latestnews/story/TCW_Overlords_Episode_Guide_136245.asp
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Based on previous EU stuff Asajj's fate is left unknown and it could be assumed she survived the war. Of course the in-TCW characters like Bane and Savage, that remains to be seen. Even TCW might alter Ventress's fate, though it seems like they've sort of taken aspects of the last comic book Ventress story "Obsession" in which Dooku betrays her. However, the possibility for redemption appeared much greater than where Ventress was left at the end of the Witches trilogy. So, I'm wondering if this was the way to write her out of the TCW but keep her for later works (like the comics did) or if she will eventually reconcile with Dooku and let the comic ending stand? Possibly she could reconcile with him and be killed later on by Dooku or the Jedi. Though I hope they reconcile and let the comic ending stand. And then bring her back in the novels. I don't like Bane but I can see his potential in future works, stuff bridging the Dark Times and the OT and maybe beyond.
After the current FOTJ series ends, they'll probably need new antagonists. A fully Sith Asajj or Savage could definitely fit the bill. So would Aurra Sing, who showed up in LOTF, under an assumed name.
The Sith still aren't coming to life as characters...maybe that's a false hope. It's hard to care about Savage as long as he's just a brainwashed minion. What's the point of the quest to find his brother? Why am I supposed to care about that?
Oh well, it looks like next week will be the start of far more interesting things, the type of storyline that the PT badly needed to have as its central focus. Star Wars is about the metaphysical blather of destiny and the Force yadda yadda, not about psychology or politics. Regardless of the exact nature of the blather they foist on us in the coming weeks, I'm happy to see they've remembered that blather is very important to Star Wars.
And since the PT is now being overwritten by TCW, stuff on movies or TV are just as ephemeral as the novels. It's a fool's game to get too attached to anything. From what I can tell there is no such thing as permanent Star Wars cannon. Therefore the only sensible approach is to latch onto the elements that you personally think are "correct" and reject everything else.
Gaith is right after all.
Accept what you want to, scream your head off about everything else.
I agree. It was just back to square one, what a bore. Ventress at least is a character whose destiny we don't know, which makes her inherently more interesting than Dooku, who we know can't die, renounce the Sith, or any other game-changing thing.
I did like Anakin crowing about how he's "popular with the ladies." Yep, the Nightsisters were fawning all over him. Nice bit of characterization that once again reiterates his blind overconfidence and egotism, but not in an off-putting way.
Oh well, it looks like next week will be the start of far more interesting things, the type of storyline that the PT badly needed to have as its central focus. Star Wars is about the metaphysical blather of destiny and the Force yadda yadda, not about psychology or politics. Regardless of the exact nature of the blather they foist on us in the coming weeks, I'm happy to see they've remembered that blather is very important to Star Wars.
And since the PT is now being overwritten by TCW, stuff on movies or TV are just as ephemeral as the novels. It's a fool's game to get too attached to anything. From what I can tell there is no such thing as permanent Star Wars cannon. Therefore the only sensible approach is to latch onto the elements that you personally think are "correct" and reject everything else.
Gaith is right after all.
Accept what you want to, scream your head off about everything else.I agree. It was just back to square one, what a bore. Ventress at least is a character whose destiny we don't know, which makes her inherently more interesting than Dooku, who we know can't die, renounce the Sith, or any other game-changing thing.
I did like Anakin crowing about how he's "popular with the ladies." Yep, the Nightsisters were fawning all over him.
Nice bit of characterization that once again reiterates his blind overconfidence and egotism, but not in an off-putting way.
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The Nightsisters in the novel keep the rancors in paddocks in their villages. So their absense here does sound a tad conspicuous.
Uhm, when? How? Where?
^ We've been having this debate all through the thread and other threads. Not the entire prequel trilogy seems to be rewritten but tweaked, primarily how Anakin has been written during this show.
Well, to be honest, TCW Anakin and PT Anakin seem to be two completely different people.
Thank God for that.
If I want to see a show about a whiny douchebag I'll watch Smallville.
Uhm, when? How? Where?
Big changes so far:
-Anakin is a completely different (and much improved) person. Now he's noble, heroic, likeable, warm, funny, fun, and charming. He might not be book-smart, and he's not as savvy as he'd probably like to believe, but he certainly isn't a moron. There isn't a whiff of the dumbass whiny self-pitying nausea-inducing punk from the PT. He's a character who's worth telling a story about, at long last.
However, since he's no longer stupid and overtly psychologically damaged, I wonder how they can plausibly push him to the dark side. As dumb as it was, the way the PT did it at least worked logically - Anakin was an idiot who was so damaged from childhood that he was essentially defenseless against the dark side. TCW Anakin is a much less obvious pushover. I think they need to just re-do ROTS with another path to darkside-ism, because the original scenario no longer makes sense.
-Obi-Wan seems different as well: more fun loving, sympathetic, intellectually curious; less of a sour disapproving nanny. His backstory with Satine, paralleling Anakin's but with a very different outcome, helped some. Anakin's re-charaterization helps a lot, since now he's the kind of guy Obi-Wan can be friends with, and their bantering scenes together are charming.
-Ahsoka Tano. The introduction of her character allows Anakin to be grounded and more of a mature character, in that we see him in a parental role, but also gives us more insight into the worrying aspects of his personality - lack of respect for rules, stubbornness, arrogance - which he is imparting to his padawan. Sometimes they come across like two kids playing at war, gleefully comparing body counts. It's charming and scary at the same time, which is exactly how the whole story should be - on an intellectual level, we should see the characters rushing headlong to disaster, but at an emotional level, everything should be so fun, gaudy, charming and compelling that we're swept along with it despite ourselves.
-Depiction of the Republic as corrupt/Separatists with legitimate grievances. In the PT, when Anakin ranted about how much he hates democracy, I had no idea how I was supposed to interpret that. Is he right? Is there something seriously wrong with the Republic? Or is he just ignorant of politics and this is an expression of mental dysfunction?
If the intent was to tell us "Anakin is right to disdain the Republic, because it has serious problems," that didn't come through at all, because there wasn't enough depiction of the Republic and its alleged corruption. Also, the emphasis on Anakin's mental dysfunction made anything he said instantly suspect.
TCW is making much more of an effort to deliver the message that "the Republic is corrupt, and someone who is reasonable, aware and intelligent might legitimately come to the conclusion that it's unsalvagable." Might is the operative word. To see the Republic as salvagable - the view of Padme and the Jedi - is also legitimate. But now for the first time I see there are good arguments on both sides.
Underscoring this, we've been introduced to Separatists with legitimate grievances, who also believe that the Republic needs serious changes before its tolerable, and those changes can be brought about only by war (or else they wouldn't have left the Senate).
I used to think the war was wholly contrived by the Trade Federation and the Sith, which made the Jedi look stupid for not being suspicious of a war that has no legitimate observable cause. But if the legitimate Seppys started the war, and then the Trade Federation and the Sith jumped on opportunistically, the Jedi and the good guys in the Senate are off the hook for stupidity. Why would they be suspicious? They can tell the Republic is corrupt, too. They probably know it might be a lost cause to defend.
So the legitimate Seppys make Anakin's political views seem more sound (and a possible contributing factor to his fall), and the Jedi seem less like dolts, too. That just goes to show how one seemingly minor detail added to a story can have a cascade effect of positive changes.
So now the major problems with psychology (Anakin's) and politics (the Republic's and Separatists') are being addressed. The only thing that remains to be done to fix the trainwreck of the PT is to tell us what the holy frak is going on with the Force/Chosen One prophecy/etc. That really should be central to this story - the whole story centers on Anakin's mindset, which is influenced hugely by the metaphysical stuff, but we don't have any inkling why or how.
If Anakin didn't fall because he's a psychologically damaged idiot, then how did it happen? Betcha the metaphysical hooey had something to do with it. Bring on the hooey!
So, no, it's not the whole story being revised, but the whole story never did need to be revised. Just a few important things are being changed/added to, and those things are being well chosen to have a positive cascade effect that corrects as many of the problems as can be corrected.
Really the only major problem that hasn't been addressed is the Jedi countenancing the immoral creation of clones as cannon fodder. Even that could be retconned through the corrupt-Republic storyline. Maybe the people of the Republic are so apathetic because of the corruption they see around them that they refuse to fight, and that necessitates the creation of the clones. In which case, the Jedi should be more angst-ridden about the clones, and fighting harder to rid the Republic of the corruption that is making their creation a necessity.
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