Star Wars: The Clone Wars 2x12 The Mandalore Plot
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Cool an ancient lightsaber, and it's black.
Well I guess now we know what forced Traviss to quit...
That said, the black saber was cool. I wonder in this "new" continuity who Jango Fetts loyalty was to. Are there only these "new" Mandalorians and the Death Watch or are there other factions as well? Wookiepedia is basically useless at this point, as this episode contradicts most of what we "know" (or thought we knew) of the Mandalorians.
That said, the black saber was cool. I wonder in this "new" continuity who Jango Fetts loyalty was to. Are there only these "new" Mandalorians and the Death Watch or are there other factions as well? Wookiepedia is basically useless at this point, as this episode contradicts most of what we "know" (or thought we knew) of the Mandalorians.
I very much enjoyed this episode. Good look into the Obi-Wan character...he's a peacemaker but he has no use for Satine's pacifism. I especially loved his "We have to stand and fight. Well, in your case, just stand." Not to mention his badass use of the blaster and rocket. Obi-Wan just rocked the episode and he had chemistry with Satine, who was beautifully designed.
Thought the Mandolorians were handled very well too. Absolutely loved the design of Mandolore...they have not disappointed to date on planet design. And of course, I appreciate the Jango Fett reference. The Mando's take on Fett adds an interesting shade to his character.
Thought the Mandolorians were handled very well too. Absolutely loved the design of Mandolore...they have not disappointed to date on planet design. And of course, I appreciate the Jango Fett reference. The Mando's take on Fett adds an interesting shade to his character.
It is a new take on the Mandalorians, and I admit, if you can seperate it from the Republic Commando series of books it was an enjoyible episode. I also think it makes Jango and Boba even more badass, as they are now rogues coming from a planet of pacifists rather than warriors and still manage to be as kick ass as they are.
MeanJoePhaser
Admiral
Seemed maybe a tad underwhelming given the previews months ago, but of course the story continues next week.
Is this our first real solo Kenobi outing? Seems like it.
Wow, suicide in a kid's cartoon, that was the most surprising thing.
The Duchess follows Padme's attitude about not having her bodyguards accompany her when there's potential for actual danger.
Is this our first real solo Kenobi outing? Seems like it.
Wow, suicide in a kid's cartoon, that was the most surprising thing.
The Duchess follows Padme's attitude about not having her bodyguards accompany her when there's potential for actual danger.
A suicide is the one thing we HAVEN'T seen in the Clone Wars. We've seen murders, beheading, firebombing civilian villages, lots and lots of torture, people getting sucked out into space, clones lighting up Geonosians with flame throwers, head shots, etc. Suicide was the only thing missing.
MeanJoePhaser
Admiral
Well, rape, but there's always next week!
Heheh. Maybe they can recreate that scene in Pulp Fiction. 
Not to mention we had a terrorist bombing on tonight's episode.
Not to mention we had a terrorist bombing on tonight's episode.
I've been rather eager to get to these episodes and was not disappointed. I will say that Mandalore does not seem anything like what is described in the LOTF series, although, of course, LOTF does take place nearly 60 years later, so a lot may have changed but I suspect that what we saw tonight was the start one HUGE re-write of the Mandalorians, their culture, etc. It will be interesting to see this further developed.
As for the characters, the Duchess seemed very Padme-like to me, which, of course, isn't a bad thing per se but just pointing out the obvious.
Obi-Wan had a lot of great scenes and lines in this episode and it's nice to see Obi-Wan on a solo mission- his first one since AOTC I believe.
The Mandalorians ("Death Watch") were as cool as ever but it's definitely interesting that the warriors were considered to basically be "rogues" and that Mandalore was (or was at least attempting to be) a more pacifist world. I wonder if the war brings some major devastation to the planet- or "Death Watch" eventually assumes power and takes Mandalore back to its more warrior-like ways?
I thought it was a nice touch for Obi-Wan to mention Jango Fett when speaking with the Prime Minister(?) of Mandalore.
Heavy subject material in this episode- bombing, suicide.
The one thing that slightly confused me was that the leader of "Death Walk" had a lightsaber that he stated that his ancestors supposedly got during the fall of the Old Republic but I thought that the current government was the "Old Republic"? Did the writers get mixed up or something?
Overall, cool episode. Can't wait until next week for the next part (this is supposed to be 3-part story arc)!
As for the characters, the Duchess seemed very Padme-like to me, which, of course, isn't a bad thing per se but just pointing out the obvious.
Obi-Wan had a lot of great scenes and lines in this episode and it's nice to see Obi-Wan on a solo mission- his first one since AOTC I believe.
The Mandalorians ("Death Watch") were as cool as ever but it's definitely interesting that the warriors were considered to basically be "rogues" and that Mandalore was (or was at least attempting to be) a more pacifist world. I wonder if the war brings some major devastation to the planet- or "Death Watch" eventually assumes power and takes Mandalore back to its more warrior-like ways?
I thought it was a nice touch for Obi-Wan to mention Jango Fett when speaking with the Prime Minister(?) of Mandalore.
Heavy subject material in this episode- bombing, suicide.
The one thing that slightly confused me was that the leader of "Death Walk" had a lightsaber that he stated that his ancestors supposedly got during the fall of the Old Republic but I thought that the current government was the "Old Republic"? Did the writers get mixed up or something?
Overall, cool episode. Can't wait until next week for the next part (this is supposed to be 3-part story arc)!
Checkmate
Commodore
An easy mistake to make.
The Old Republic is more akin to our medieval period. It took place, if I'm not mistaking, hundreds if not thousands of years ago. What we're seeing in the Clone Wars and new trilogy is the fall of the Republic (not Old, not New; just the Republic), and the expanded universe and original trilogy deal with the formation of the New Republic.
The "Old Republic" died 1000 years ago in the Ruusan Reformatin, as depicted in the Darth Bane novels, is that right? As for the episode it was just alright. I'm happy to write out Traviss' work from continuity but I thought it was an odd choice and it really does fly in the face of so much established continuity.
I think The Clone Wars has really spoiled its audience. It's been such a good series thus far that an episode like this one (action, character, visuals, thematic ideas) somehow feels run-of-the-mill. Definitely a good thing.
No, Satine is an original character.
For Obi-Wan love interests, I prefer Siri from the Jedi Apprentic/Jedi Quest series. But Satine's a good character too.
Palpatine says in AOTC that he won't let "This Republic that has stood for over a thousand years be split into two." So I assumed the "Old Republic" line was in reference to that.
For Obi-Wan love interests, I prefer Siri from the Jedi Apprentic/Jedi Quest series. But Satine's a good character too.
Palpatine says in AOTC that he won't let "This Republic that has stood for over a thousand years be split into two." So I assumed the "Old Republic" line was in reference to that.
This is not the last we'll see of her, so we shall see. There's very clearly history there.
Part of me kept expecting the mystery Mandalorian leader to turn out to be Boba Fett.
After all these years of movies and games and what not, kewlest lightsaber ever.
I've grown to like this version of Obi-Wan quite a bit. I was actually a little taken aback when Anakin showed up at the end, I realized we haven't seen much of him for a while.
I've grown to like this version of Obi-Wan quite a bit. I was actually a little taken aback when Anakin showed up at the end, I realized we haven't seen much of him for a while.
According to the StarWars.com episode guide, her costume design was based on an unused design for Padme from The Phantom Menace.
Also, the Deathwatch helmets' elongated look was modelled on the Nelvana animated Boba Fett design from the Holiday Special and the Droids animated series.
It just occurred to me that technically, the entire Clone Army is Mandalorian, since they're all clones of the Mandalorian Jango Fett. That's quite ironic considering that Mandalore is a pacifist society. How must they feel about that? I'd like to see that addressed in one of the next two episodes.
After thinking some more on this episode, I am starting to believe that this re-write of the Manalorians actually makes some good sense in universe. Alot of what we have understood about mando culture comes from Karen Traviss' books. But we are led to believe that eventually Mandalore is enslaved by the Empire. I have always had a problem seeing how the Mandos seen in KT's books could ever let themselves become enslaved, they would fight, they would scatter, but not surrender. Now we have Mandos that would surrender rather than fight. At the same time we still have the rogue elements like the True Mandalorians (Jango's faction) and the Death Watch that would keep their armor and go rogue/mercenary/bounty hunter.
As a former soldier I am a big fan of the warrior culture created by Traviss in her Republic Commando series, and it is a shame that they will not be continued under her authorship. At the same time this episode actually solved a problem that she had created. She made Mandos so badass that I had a hard time seeing them defeated. Even with a small planetary population, Mandalore could have put alot of troops into the field, even if just as insurgents. But now, with mainline Mandalore being pacifist, the number of available troops dwindles from the millions to the thousands, maybe even hundreds. With such small numbers those warriors would just slink away and realize a fight against the Empire was hopeless. Still I guess we will have to wait and see the rest of these mando centered episodes to see how it turns out.
As a former soldier I am a big fan of the warrior culture created by Traviss in her Republic Commando series, and it is a shame that they will not be continued under her authorship. At the same time this episode actually solved a problem that she had created. She made Mandos so badass that I had a hard time seeing them defeated. Even with a small planetary population, Mandalore could have put alot of troops into the field, even if just as insurgents. But now, with mainline Mandalore being pacifist, the number of available troops dwindles from the millions to the thousands, maybe even hundreds. With such small numbers those warriors would just slink away and realize a fight against the Empire was hopeless. Still I guess we will have to wait and see the rest of these mando centered episodes to see how it turns out.
I was really impressed with this offering; good plot and great action. The environments were amazing, and I loved the music. The architecture within the Mandalorian city was so interestingly cube centric, right down to the topiary. I loved how you could see Concordia in the sky over Mandalore and vice versa. The Obi-Wan/Satine chemistry had me giggling. I guessed the Governor was involved early on, but that wasn't unexpected or disappointing. I did think the Death Watch members seemed a little easily overtaken, but I figured maybe they're more along the lines of "wannabees" rather than the real Mandalorian bad asses the reputation invokes, though the Governor taking out his own man for "failure" certainly had me rethinking that one. Still, he couldn't take out Obi-Wan on his own so he had to sic his remaining hounds. Score one: Jedi.
Very nice set up episode and looking forward to next week, though I've hated those spider droids since their inception.
Very nice set up episode and looking forward to next week, though I've hated those spider droids since their inception.
