Very cool.
Star Wars Rebels Season Three (spoilers)
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So, Dave Filoni posted this on Facebook a little bit ago:
It just occurred to me that I never got to tell you all the story of the time that Bendu met Ahsoka Tano. It was a brief encounter, which took place around the end of the episode "The Mystery of Chopper Base" from Season Two, just before Ahsoka, Kanan and Ezra left on their fateful mission to Malachor. Of their conversation, you might find this dialog to be the most interesting:
Bendu: "You are set on this confrontation then?"
Ahsoka: "I have to know the truth."
Bendu: "So be it, but understand this, much will change as a result of this encounter, including you."
Ahsoka: "Isn't that true of all things, as time advances?"
Bendu: "My dear, when I say change, I mean death."
Ahsoka: "So I will die?"
Bendu: "Will you? I didn't know that. Goodbye then, Ahsoka Tano, former Jedi Knight."
Bendu scenes lose half their fun when you can't actually hear Tom Baker delivering those lines. It's still great dialogue, regardless, but the voice of Tom Baker enhances it so much.
I'm talking literally. Yes, I can very easily imagine Tom Baker's voice, so in a sense I can "hear" him, but I actually want to genuinely authentically listen to Tom Baker recite those lines. Yes, it's splitting hairs and I'm just being bitchy for bitchy sakes, but there we are.
I just posted elsewhere: I can listen to Baker say "Jedi Knight!" all day long. 
While I was very disappointed that Ezra's stroll to the dark side happened so fast I was delighted with The Bendu.
Rebels managed / almost managed two stories better than the movies. Ezra's flirt with the dark side made more sense than Anakin's. And Ahsoka's encounter with Vader was FAR more emotional than Vader's encounter with Ben. (Of course that encounter wasn't MEANT to be emotional because that wasn't the story yet. Vader being Anakin had worse consequences for Star Wars than it did for the Republic. Bleh.)
While I was very disappointed that Ezra's stroll to the dark side happened so fast I was delighted with The Bendu.Rebels managed / almost managed two stories better than the movies. Ezra's flirt with the dark side made more sense than Anakin's. And Ahsoka's encounter with Vader was FAR more emotional than Vader's encounter with Ben. (Of course that encounter wasn't MEANT to be emotional because that wasn't the story yet. Vader being Anakin had worse consequences for Star Wars than it did for the Republic. Bleh.)
I just posted elsewhere: I can listen to Baker say "Jedi Knight!" all day long.
Rebels managed / almost managed two stories better than the movies. Ezra's flirt with the dark side made more sense than Anakin's. And Ahsoka's encounter with Vader was FAR more emotional than Vader's encounter with Ben. (Of course that encounter wasn't MEANT to be emotional because that wasn't the story yet. Vader being Anakin had worse consequences for Star Wars than it did for the Republic. Bleh.)
Even viewed in retrospect, there's no reason why that encounter would be emotionally charged. Obi-Wan has long since accepted that Anakin is effectively dead and after spending nearly two decades in exile communing with the force, he's a much more calm and centred person than he ever was (and he was a pretty calm and centred person to begin with, generally speaking.) As far as he's concerned, there's nothing left in that armor of his old pupil to reach and nothing that can provoke a reaction out of him.
As for Vader, the only emotions he has in that encounter is hate, contempt and a need to finally put an end to his former master (which Vader always was, one way or the other.)
And as usual, he's wrong
Dave Filoni has revealed another unused scene from Rebels, a short dialogue between Kanan and Ahsoka, they had met back during the Clone Wars
https://twitter.com/dave_filoni/status/888614246593871872
https://twitter.com/dave_filoni/status/888614246593871872
Ooh, interesting. I've often wondered about that myself, nice to see did know each other back when they were Jedi.
^Aside from that, Ahsoka passed her Padawan trials right at the start of the clone wars while Kanan wasn't apprenticed to Depa until relatively late (a few months before Order 66 IIRC), so there's a few years between them in terms of experience as well as age.
Well, about a year anyway. The way the timeline seems to shape out, Ahsoka was only with Anakin for about a year and a half give or take.
Well, about a year anyway. The way the timeline seems to shape out, Ahsoka was only with Anakin for about a year and a half give or take.
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She was his Padawan for almost the entirety of the Clone Wars. According to Star Wars: Galactic Atlas, Ahsoka's first appearance in The Clone Wars was in 22 BBY, shortly after the war started, and her final appearance as Anakin's Padawan in "The Wrong Jedi" was in 19 BBY.
IIRC from what Pablo Hidalgo has said, the CW movie picks up about 8 months after AotC, and that Ahsoka left the Jedi about a year prior to RotS.
If the war lasted 3 years, simple math has it that she was with Anakin for about sixteen months. That's less than half the war. You might be able to push it to eighteen or even twenty if one were to propose that the war lasted 3 years and change, but that's about the limit.
Here's the thing; the BBY/ABY system isn't terribly useful for getting a real sense of the passage of time on the smaller scale as it has a margin of error of 364 days is either direction.
Allow me to demonstrate:-
Let's just pretend for a second that each "BBY" year uses the Gregorian calendar. Then let us presume that the Battle of Geonisis was on January 1st, 22BBY. So, eight months later, that's around September 1st (still the same year by this reckoning.) Fast forward about sixteen months and you may find yourself around January 1st, 19BBY. Almost a year later on December 31st 19BBY, Order 66 is given and the Clone Wars end.
See how this works? Just because events are listed as taking place in the same year, doesn't necessarily mean they are are concurrent anymore than them being listed in adjacent years mean they took place a year apart since in reality, it could be anything from a single day to just shy of two years.
After all, it's only meant as a rough, subjective guide. It's not an actual in-universe calendar: -
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Well, I've long been of the same mind that the BBY/ABY dating convention is a poor choice from an in-universe perspective, and that the Battle of Endor and the death of the Emperor would make far more sense as a "Year 0" than the Battle of Yavin. So I'm glad to hear that Pablo thinks the same in that regard. I also agree with his sentiment that the standard in-universe calendar likely goes back thousands of years. Or perhaps around one thousand years, if they started dating from the formation of the last iteration of the Republic.
I would love to see Pablo's full, internal chronology, just to give us a better idea of this stuff.
I would love to see Pablo's full, internal chronology, just to give us a better idea of this stuff.
I never thought anyone actually intended the BBY/ABY scheme as in-universe, just as a way for us in the real world to talk about chronology relative to the original film. Are there books or comics where it's actually used in the story?
If anything, I'd think Palpatine would've started a new "Imperial Calendar" with something like the founding of the Empire, corresponding to the end of ROTS.
I can't recall any novels or comics that used it in the story, but as mentioned in Pablo Hidalgo's tweet thread in @Reverend 's post before mine, The Essential Chronology was written as if it was an in-universe document, and that utilized the BBY/ABY scheme, and even included an explanation for why the Battle of Yavin was chosen over the Battle of Endor.
I think there was a mention of an ancient calendar in one of the recent Dr. Aphra comics, one that was used by a particular sect of Jedi in their time, but hadn't been used for thousands of years prior to the formation of the Prequel era Republic.
With that in mind it's a fair bet that there's been many overlapping systems over the millennia. Some used only by particular planets or organisations, others more widespread but up against competing systems of comparable popularity. I mean consider for a second the folks down on 1313. What does it matter to them that a Republic has been replaced by an Empire? "I heard the Sith controlling the upper levels again." "Who cares!? The last time one of my family even saw sunlight was twelve generations ago!"
Same applies to people on the outer rim and/or worlds controlled by the Hutts, who probably have their own calendar again. The Trade Federation, the Commerce Guilds probably had their own system to co-ordinate trade schedules and I'd bet even in the age of the Empire, the banks all still ran on Muunilinst time.
While I'm also curious to some degree, I think it would be a mistake to publish it. The second that information is out there it'll be an active obstruction to a lot further storytelling. Best keep if vague and minimise the possibility of direct contradiction as much as possible.