Star Wars Rebels Season Three (spoilers)

[Ithekro]

Mon Mothma's title was still senator, but she had been on the run for two years by the time of R1 for openly declaring the Alliance to Restore the Republic. Bail Organa may or may not have been a senator in R1, as Leia was suppose to have taken his position by then. Several other senators were likely supporting the Rebellion. Some openly. Some quietly. But Mon Mothma? Traitor to the Empire is likely her other title.

As for Yularen. It depends greatly on just how he sees things. Remember that to most of the Galaxy, Palpatine is the legitimate ruler, and it was the Jedi who turned out to be traitors to the Republic. Palpatine reorganizing the Republic and Separatist worlds into the Empire was cheered in the Senate.

 

[Reverend]

Isn't she still referred to as a senator in Rogue One, though? I took that to mean that she, Bail, and Leia were all still sitting senators running the rebellion from within the Senate (which, yeah, I guess is actual sedition) up until its dissolution a couple of days (?) after the events of R1.

Of those three only Leia is a sitting Senator. Obviously she and Bail can't both be the senator for the Alderaan sector, so one assumes he's officially retired to unofficially help run the rebellion full time. If I had to guess I'd say this happened right around the time the head of his intelligence operations went missing on Malachor two or three years prior.

As for Mon, I think Senator is a bit like President. It's a title you retain even after your term is up (or declared a traitor to the Empire.) Of course since it was a rebel who called her Senator, that last part isn't terribly relevant.

Several other senators were likely supporting the Rebellion. Some openly. Some quietly. But Mon Mothma? Traitor to the Empire is likely her other title.

Everyone in the Alliance Cabinet bar Mon & Bail is a sitting Imperial senator. Nower Jebel is the Senator for Uyter, Vasp Vaspar represents the Taldot sector and Tynnra Pamlo is the Senator for Taris (yes, from KotOR!) They even make a point in the novelization what a headache it was to get them all out from under the ISB's nose at the same time without arousing suspicion.

 

[JD]

Y'know... they could have Sabine away from the Ghost crew for a long time - even months - and then come back by the next episode. This show jumps forward in the timeline frequently. So Sabine may not really be "gone" from the show at all. There's a great chart here, tracking ages of characters and time jumps.

Wow, I didn't realize Hera was that young. I had thought she was at least in her mid 30s at the start of the show.

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Are those droids a preexisting design that predates Rebels? I swear I've seen them in older stuff somewhere.

In what way? I was expecting a let down but was pleasantly surprised by it.

Oh god, now you've gone and done it.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Are those droids a preexisting design that predates Rebels? I swear I've seen them in older stuff somewhere.

Imperial Sentry Droids. They first appeared in "The Wynkahthu Job"

 

[Ithekro]

Those sentry droids were inspired by the Phase 2 Dark Trooper droids from the old LucasArts Game called Dark Forces.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Ah! Good catch!

 

[Smoked Salmon]

Oh god, now you've gone and done it.

I have?

 

[Christopher]

Mon Mothma's title was still senator, but she had been on the run for two years by the time of R1 for openly declaring the Alliance to Restore the Republic.

Was that in a Rebels episode?

As for Yularen. It depends greatly on just how he sees things. Remember that to most of the Galaxy, Palpatine is the legitimate ruler, and it was the Jedi who turned out to be traitors to the Republic. Palpatine reorganizing the Republic and Separatist worlds into the Empire was cheered in the Senate.

Yeah, but surely the Empire's tyranny and brutality must've been pretty evident after 18 years. Yularen would have to be pretty blind to think he was still in service to a benevolent democracy.

Of those three only Leia is a sitting Senator. Obviously she and Bail can't both be the senator for the Alderaan sector, so one assumes he's officially retired to unofficially help run the rebellion full time.

I was wondering about that.

If I had to guess I'd say this happened right around the time the head of his intelligence operations went missing on Malachor two or three years prior.

Was that from a Rebels episode? Who was it that went missing, the Inquisitor?

As for Mon, I think Senator is a bit like President. It's a title you retain even after your term is up (or declared a traitor to the Empire.)

I always thought that too, but it turns out it's technically wrong to refer to a former president by that title, since officially it can only be used by the current occupant of the post, unlike other titles such as Secretary or Governor or whatever. I think I read an article about this during the campaign last year, when people were wondering how Bill Clinton would be addressed if Hillary Clinton won the election, and whether they would both be "President Clinton." Apparently a former president should be addressed by the highest title they held before the presidency, so Bill Clinton would've been formally addressed as Governor Clinton, and I guess Barack Obama should now be formally addressed as Senator Obama. The informal practice of continuing to call them "President" is ingrained in the culture, of course, but it's not proper for formal contexts like writing letters or announcing them at government events or whatever. Weird, huh?

 

[Ithekro]

Was that in a Rebels episode?

That's her basic backstory. And if I don't miss my guess, we'll be seeing it in Rebels within the next two episodes.

Yeah, but surely the Empire's tyranny and brutality must've been pretty evident after 18 years. Yularen would have to be pretty blind to think he was still in service to a benevolent democracy.

Considering how Agent Kallus was until last year, I think there are still people that truly believe in the Empire and its cause of bringing peace, order, and stability to the galaxy. I know some people in real life who still call the Empire the good guys of Star Wars. The Rebels being nothing but terrorist, murders, pirates, and thieves as far as their are concerned. An orderly society for them. Rebels against the legitimate government to some people are the worst things possible.

Was that from a Rebels episode? Who was it that went missing, the Inquisitor?

Bail's top intelligence officer, code named Fulcrum. Has, to our knowledge, never returned from Malachor. She was last seen, by Ezra, dueling Darth Vader.

 

[JD]

Those sentry droids were inspired by the Phase 2 Dark Trooper droids from the old LucasArts Game called Dark Forces.

Ah, that's it, thank you.

I have?

Now we're probably going to get another rant from Kirk55555 about how horrible the CW/Rebels Mandolorians are, how everything Filoni and co. has done with them is stupid, and the only real Mandos are the ones from Karen Travis's books. He'll probably throw in a couple comments about how Rebels is the worst thing ever in franchise too.

 

[DimesDan]

Now we're probably going to get another rant from Kirk55555 about how horrible the CW/Rebels Mandolorians are, how everything Filoni and co. has done with them is stupid, and the only real Mandos are the ones from Karen Travis's books. He'll probably throw in a couple comments about how Rebels is the worst thing ever in franchise too.

Or he'll now come along and angrily defend his position as some kind of free speech exercise or some such bollocks that I'll just skip.

 

[Christopher]

That's her basic backstory. And if I don't miss my guess, we'll be seeing it in Rebels within the next two episodes.

Her backstory from what source? That's what I'm trying to find out.

I know some people in real life who still call the Empire the good guys of Star Wars. The Rebels being nothing but terrorist, murders, pirates, and thieves as far as their are concerned. An orderly society for them. Rebels against the legitimate government to some people are the worst things possible.

Wow, that's disquieting. Although -- how can they believe it's a legitimate government when the person in charge deliberately engineered a war and played both sides against each other in order to trick the Senate into giving him emergency powers, then framed a loyal order of peacekeeping knights as traitors as an excuse to "reorganize" the state into an empire under his rule? Although maybe Palpy's plan was too subtle for "some people" to grasp.

Bail's top intelligence officer, code named Fulcrum. Has, to our knowledge, never returned from Malachor. She was last seen, by Ezra, dueling Darth Vader.

Oh, her.

 

[Ithekro]

Her backstory from what source? That's what I'm trying to find out.

Most recently the Rogue One Visual Dictionary, but that's pretty much been her backstory for as long as I can remember. That she shows up in the Third Season trailers, and what little we've learned about the remaining episodes of this season, suggests to me that we'll be seeing her on Rebels the first weekend of March. If not, certainly by the finally.

Wow, that's disquieting. Although -- how can they believe it's a legitimate government when the person in charge deliberately engineered a war and played both sides against each other in order to trick the Senate into giving him emergency powers, then framed a loyal order of peacekeeping knights as traitors as an excuse to "reorganize" the state into an empire under his rule? Although maybe Palpy's plan was too subtle for "some people" to grasp.

From what I recall, they don't actually care what Lucas came up with for the Prequels. I don't think they even watched them. They are more for the concept of rule through strength, law and order, and see the Rebels and nothing more than pirates and terrorist. These ideas do show up sometimes in novels and comics when the focus is on Imperials. Usually we see what eventually turns them against he Empire in these stories. Those that aren't monsters anyway. When I asked why someone would be for the Empire given that the protagonist are the Rebel, they more or less said that Lucas failed to make them care about the Rebels, meaning Luke, Han, Leia, and there cause, so by the time Return of the Jedi came out, they were rooting for the Empire. People are different. A Certain Point of View I suppose. There are people who see the Jedi Order as not being a good thing to have for one reason or another, or the Republic as a corrupt government that needed toppling, and replacement with a strong central government (the fall of the Roman Republic and the rise of the Roman Empire perhaps).

 

[Tuskin38]

Her backstory from what source? That's what I'm trying to find out.

It is mentioned in the Rogue One visual guide.

 

[Tuskin38]

s the Senator for Taris (yes, from KotOR!)

It is also said in some novel, I don't recall, that there was an incident centuries ago that caused a great calamity on the surface. No sources have gone into detail on how that happened. Yet.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Taris

By the time of the GCW era its back to being an ecumenopolis, but its surface is still heavily polluted.

 

[Ithekro]

Things from the KOTOR days still might have happened. They are legends even to people living in the days of the Clone Wars. It was just too long ago for people to really remember. They might be able to find out what happened, but it is like looking up history on Alexander the Great for us. We know so much, but yet so little of what actually happened. Or for the even older stuff, like Tales of the Jedi, we are talking Ancient Egypt 11th or 12th Dynasty era. Or the building of Stonehenge. But on a galaxy wide scale.

 

[Reverend]

Some things are just going to be nods that are probably never going to be elaborated on and that's for the best.
Having Taris being a once great city planet that fell into ruin and never truly recovered is a neat way to incorporate the spirit of the EU material without having to also include the narrative components. It's no different than when they name drop from things from old WEG sourcebooks, borrow from RQ's classic concept art or

I do like the idea that not everything "known" about galactic history is entirely accurate and that some events are so steeped in legend that it's often hard to separate myth from history. The Jedi probably had the most complete library in the galaxy and even then we know it wasn't infallible. There sheer volume of material from a million worlds spanning tens of thousands of years must have made looking up anything specific an utter nightmare!
That said, I'd be surprised if they ever try to integrate the story of Revan into canon. Like most Bioware games, player choice is such an integral element in how the story is told that any definitive version of it is going to seem like a pale imitation. Mind you, I'd be down with the possibility of there being many conflicting versions of "The Legend of Darth Revan" where some versions have them falling back to the dark side and murdering various close friends, others say they returned to the light and nobody's even really sure whether they were a man or a woman. That could be fun, but it'd infuriate the wiki editors no end.

Personally I like to think that the legend of the Kyber Saber featured in the (surprisingly good!) non-canon 'Lego Freemaker Adventures' show is a "real" legend within the Star Wars universe in the sense that 'The Sword in the Stone' is a "real" legend in our world. To what (if any) degree it resembles anything that actually happened is an open question and rather besides the point.

 

[Destructor]

how can they believe it's a legitimate government when the person in charge deliberately engineered a war and played both sides against each other in order to trick the Senate into giving him emergency powers, then framed a loyal order of peacekeeping knights as traitors as an excuse to "reorganize" the state into an empire under his rule?

Sounds like you've been listening to the FAKE galaxywide newsnets, sir! This so called alleged engineering of war was in fact a genuine galactic crisis due to unfair taxation on trade routes! The Jedi (powerful wizards, accountable to no-one!) were colluding with the Trade Federation and needed to be contained. If they'd gone peacefully, we wouldn't have had to kill them all!

As for the dissolution of the senate, the rebellion attacked a base on Scarif with no provocation, and was aided and abetted by multiple senators! They have only themselves to blame for the Emperor's actions. Sad!

 

[Christopher]

Sounds like you've been listening to the FAKE galaxywide newsnets, sir! This so called alleged engineering of war was in fact a genuine galactic crisis due to unfair taxation on trade routes! The Jedi (powerful wizards, accountable to no-one!) were colluding with the Trade Federation and needed to be contained. If they'd gone peacefully, we wouldn't have had to kill them all!

As for the dissolution of the senate, the rebellion attacked a base on Scarif with no provocation, and was aided and abetted by multiple senators! They have only themselves to blame for the Emperor's actions. Sad!

You know, I was thinking a while back that, come January 20, I'd post on Facebook "So this is how liberty dies -- with thunderous applause." And then hardly anybody showed up at the inauguration!

 

[Tallguy]

You know, I was thinking a while back that, come January 20, I'd post on Facebook "So this is how liberty dies -- with thunderous applause." And then hardly anybody showed up at the inauguration!

Don't be silly. That was written about George Bush. So liberty has been dead for over ten years. I'm really shocked that you're allowed to write such things without the space SS coming for you.